To buy my first house two minutes down the street from traveller housing initiative?

[MelMar1]

Please give me advice.
I’m sale agreed on a new build house in Dublin . I found out that there is a new traveller housing initiative going in right across the road from me. Please don’t say I’m being snobby I’m really not. I’ve just heard stories of anti social behaviour etc. I know there’s always some lovely people but I’m nervous.

Do I give the house up because of this? It’s a substantial amount of houses for the traveller scheme all together - six very large detached four bedroom homes. It is two minutes walk from me. I drove up to the development to see and the traveller housing initiative is not in front of me directly as I thought. It is not in front of or behind me but about 2 minutes walk down the road. I can only see gable end of one of the houses from mine. Not directly facing.
I need to sign contacts in 2 days and I am so torn.
Otherwise it’s perfect house for me. With this information are you saying yes or no?

Again, see my post above.

I am aware of the bigoted minority.

The gipsy area I know not far from where I live doesn’t seem to have issues with them and I’m sure non gipsies live in the same area. The police would soon be involved if they were. Like I said it’s in a huge retail park area (Valley Park, Beddington lane) and most businesses like the one where I worked there know about the gipsies (burned caravans when one dies was a common sight) but don’t bother them.

But you’re not telling anyone how ‘the shoe fits’.

Tell us why you think that those of us who have been negatively impacted by the actions of members of the TC and have shared our experiences here are bigots. Are we completely unallowed to voice any of those negative experiences because you seem it (wrongly) as racism or bigotry.

Explain it to us. Don’t just throw the term bigot around.

Seems you are very seriously in denial.

They aren't bigots, and they appear to be in the majority.

What's your angle on this? Have you lived in or near a Traveller site?

How exactly, explain it to me!!! How is sharing my experience bigoted!!!

Please, for the love of god, explain your thinking!!!!

In general, and on the whole, the TC is more embraced in Ireland in comparison to the UK, whereby in the UK, the historic prejudice and persecution towards the Irish has trickled down to the TC.

The TC is NOT embraced more in Ireland if the travellers impact negatively on the Irish people around them.

The TC is NOT embraced in England if the travellers impact negatively on the English people around them.

And as you know, this has nothing to do with prejudice due to history and everything to do with people simply not wanting to put up with other people's behaviour making their lives a misery.

So if an Irish person complains about the TC and the negative behaviour they may have suffered from that's fine because 'history'.

If an English person complains about the TC and the negative behaviour they may have suffered from that's prejudice because 'history'?

Catch yourself on. No-one has the right anywhere in the world to make anyone else's life a misery no matter where they're from.

I call out racism and bigotry where it is abundantly evident.

The racists and bigots make their pitch worse with their weak defence.

Most people capable of critical thought do the same.

People are producing a lot of evidence to support their point of view. You are producing none.

What's your experience of living on or near a Traveller site?

I think the poster upthread who admitted to 'just winding people up' has disappeared, and been replaced by a less candid wind up merchant.

Evidence? Ah, their "lived experience"

Gotcha.

Yes. Unless you think they're all lying.

Yes not all want to live in a house and that is their choice of course. Unfortunately not everyone has the ability to "go through the same channels as everyone else". 50% of Traveller women (the % is even higher for men) are functionally illiterate for the purposes of application forms and instructions. There is also a huge element of racism and discrimination, as we've seen on this thread many people would not want a Traveller as a neighbour so even securing a private rental is so difficult. They also often want to live in close proximity to extended family. Traveller initiatives in housing, education and healthcare is a positive thing, we as a nation should welcome improved life expectancy, infant mortality, literacy etc.

Not lying no.

Bigoted yes.

It is the equivalent of being mugged by a black man, then holding a convinction that you do not want to live beside any black man, but you would a white man

A ten year old would have more critical thought than some of the posters on here.

What do you need? Photographs? Documents? That is utterly ridiculous. There’s not much point in being on a discussion forum if you’re going to assume everything everyone says is made up.

I don’t think it’s a minority. Very often not outwardly prejudiced, but I think it would be a very small percentage of Irish people who would buy a house in OP’s position and that says a lot doesn’t it?

I see that some people are being slated for their views which oppose living near to one of these sites.

I do not have issue with any of them, as long as they abide by the law, pay their taxes, and respect everyone else in the community around them.

Unfortunately, that is not always the case. Our local play area / field had metal gates and fencing torn down to gain access with their vehicles and caravans. The mess left behind was absolutely disgusting; rubbish, broken furniture, excrement (human and animal) - plus the costs of cleaning up after them, and replacing and repairing the access gates.

Likewise, they very often appear on our local supermarket car park, leaving a disgusting amount of rubbish behind when they leave.

On the flipside, there was one travelling group who set up camp on a nearby field. They bothered no-one, and when they left, all of their rubbish was bagged up and left in a pile ready to be collected. The whole site was left as they had found it. If all travellers were like this, I do think people would be a lot more accepting of them.

Actually it doesn't. Maybe in the UK it says a lot, but not in Ireland, where more protection is implemented.

Do you usually base a overall view based on minority bigot posts?

They are usually the same morons who have similar views on people who are in other underrepresented groups.

No matter how many times you say 'minority' and 'bigot', it doesn't make either of those things true.

Do you live in or near a Traveller site, @Betterbeanon78 ? Or are you speaking from your own brand of uninformed prejudice?

No matter what protection is implemented, Irish people have the right to not buy a house for any reason they choose.

And you know as well as I do that there'll be plenty who will choose not to buy near travellers.

Which reinforces the point that it is naive at best to form the view it is due to their ethnic group status.

People from the non TC also vary in behaviour.

I honestly can’t think of any community whatsoever that I would specifically avoid living near to except for travellers

Nope. You'll regret buying it & be unable to sell.

Those who are bigoted yes.

The persecution in the UK towards the TC has perpetuated the lack of opportunity for them.

In Ireland, the TC are far more embraced and accepted into schools and the workforce.

What part of my original point do you struggle with?

Not a great example. If one person is mugged by a black man, it would indeed be racist to not want to live beside any black man. But one Traveller doesn’t hurt one person. Multiple travellers impact hundreds of people. It’s not comparing like for like. My brother worked for a timber importer in Belfast and their business was opposite a Traveller site. The company was broken into on a regular basis. The stolen timber was visibly piled up on their site. Bold as you like. The people who lived close by were tortured with antisocial behaviour and couldn’t even go into their local pub because of the endless fights. But apparently it’s racist to say you don’t want to live in fear of your property being stolen or vandalised, or indeed of your life being endangered by getting caught in the crossfire of their violent and reckless behaviour.

This just shows that no two travellers are the same. I have family that travel in the summer and leave the places they stay on clean and tidy and the rubbish bagged up. I’m a gypsy that is settled in a house most of my neighbours gardens and drives are lovely but there’s a woman here and the front of her garden is piled high with old furniture and rubbish, her back garden is a tip filled with dog shite and more rubbish. She has no excuse, she drives so could take the rubbish herself to the tip but she never does. She’s also a social worker 😬

so to cut a long story short there is good and bad in everyone and some are more respectful than others. But I can’t judge all non gypsy’s the same because I can see that not all are. But it doesn’t work the same when it’s us.