To buy my first house two minutes down the street from traveller housing initiative?

[MelMar1]

Please give me advice.
I’m sale agreed on a new build house in Dublin . I found out that there is a new traveller housing initiative going in right across the road from me. Please don’t say I’m being snobby I’m really not. I’ve just heard stories of anti social behaviour etc. I know there’s always some lovely people but I’m nervous.

Do I give the house up because of this? It’s a substantial amount of houses for the traveller scheme all together - six very large detached four bedroom homes. It is two minutes walk from me. I drove up to the development to see and the traveller housing initiative is not in front of me directly as I thought. It is not in front of or behind me but about 2 minutes walk down the road. I can only see gable end of one of the houses from mine. Not directly facing.
I need to sign contacts in 2 days and I am so torn.
Otherwise it’s perfect house for me. With this information are you saying yes or no?

@JollyGreenSleeves No, I’m not, nor am I prejudiced either because I don’t actually think all travellers are the same, but I will base a decision as important as buying a house on what I know. I think it’s a fair assumption most people would in that situation I think.

So in the instance of buying a house, which is what the OP is asking, I would say no because I wouldn’t want to think I’d be living near the kind of travellers I have met and seen, and there is no way of knowing for sure so assumptions will be made - rightly or wrongly.

And the fact that you can’t even explain your baseless claims about my comments, make your accusations questionable, at best.

Again, I’ll ask you, how are my comments bigoted?

I didn't say none of that is true.

In short (and I'll type this slowly for you) there is as much anger towards the behaviour from much of the travelling community in Ireland, as there is in England.

When people are negatively affected by the behaviour of others, they tend not to give a shit where they're from or who their ancestors were.

And history has nothing to do with that. If you're life is being made a misery, you're not going to think back to any Irish or English history lessons and think it's ok.

It is very diffficult as it might be fine, they wouldn't be your direct neighbours and some travellers are fine and decent people. However, some aren't and the police won't touch them. There are also the terrible family feuds and dramas that they seem to have .

Not in a million years would I buy this place.

What exactly has historical English invasion and oppression of Ireland got to do with the varying attitudes of English and Irish people towards the travelling community today?

Yes, there are more protections here for the TC as a result of their ethnic minority status. But Irish ‘country people’ are absolutely not more tolerant to antisocial behaviour, violence and theft than English people are. No one wants to live near neighbours like that, whether they’re members of an ethnic minority or not.

What is the actual point you’re trying to make?

Of any ethnic group in Ireland, Irish travellers and Roma are the most discriminated against @Betterbeanon78.

https://www.esri.ie/news/new-esri-research-finds-high-levels-of-prejudice-against-travellers-and-roma-in-ireland

I’m Irish and Irish travellers are obviously not discriminated against here because they’re Irish, but for other social reasons.

I agree the Irish government have put supports in place. I’m not sure how they compare to the UK government in this regard.

‘You people’????

So where is the OP then? What’s the decision?

I pointed out you implying that "it wasn't true".

What part of that do you struggle with?

The Irish historically were persecuted in the UK for simply being Irish. With the TC in the UK, that prejudice is amplified even more due to their Irish origins.

Where did I state Irish people tolerate anti social behaviour?

What I did state was, the Irish, in comparison to the UK are more progressive in their attitudes towards the TC, with the exception of a bigoted minority.

I have replied in an even slower fashion for you in the hope at least some of it will absorb.

Let me know if not though, and I could always attempt to dumb it down.

Ah, the "you people" hit a nerve?

I guess now you know how the TC feel.

The irony🙄

You might want to read this thread more carefully. A lot of posters are Irish or are living in Ireland.

Ya, I wasn’t the poster that made any of those comments, so you can dumb down, or type as slowly as you like.

I have read it. I have also acknowledged there are a bigoted minority, such as those Irish posters here for example.

In general, and on the whole, the TC is more embraced in Ireland in comparison to the UK, whereby in the UK, the historic prejudice and persecution towards the Irish has trickled down to the TC.

That’s deliberately bigoted language, language that I have not used in any of my posts. Not in the least bit ironic.

And I’ll ask you for a 3rd time to explain to me why me sharing my lived experience is bigoted…. You can’t, because it’s not. Just throwing around words like bigotry, racism and prejudice doesn’t make it true. You’d be much better off having a sensible discussion with coherent and relevant points of argument.

Ya, your memory fog and complete lapse of memory regarding your bigoted sweeping generalisations and comments is a you problem.

More irony. It is indeed quite amusing.

So, a person doesn't like being dumped into a "you people" category, yet is happy to tar the TC as one of the same?

This is satire right?

And sorry, but this is simply not true. I’m Irish and grew up with and have been around travellers all my life. That’s not the experience of any country person, or travelling person I’ve ever met in my nearly 40 years.

Do you have a relevant source you can cite that shows this anpparent Irish attitude of embracing the TC?

Historic prejudice and persecution has nothing to do with not wanting to put up with the crime and anti-social behaviour caused by some of the TC.

And you absolutely know it.

It doesn't sound like bigotry, it sounds like lived experience. I've also picked up on the same attitude when visiting Ireland.

The fact is, there are huge problems as this thread reflects. Trying to deflect them with accusations of bigotry helps nobody.

Where did I say the Irish put up with anti social crime?

Oh my god, you’re actually incapable of having a discussion or making any coherent arguments aren’t you?

That poster used bigoted language against me… language I have not used in any way in any of my posts.

You really need to look up the definition of irony

My uncle (whose parents were both Irish) was quite scathing about Irish travellers. He even thought one of my brother’s girlfriend’s was Irish traveller but she wasn’t.

I did post with the disclaimer that there are a few Irish bigots.

If the shoe fits etc...

You don't have to utilise overt bigoted language to be a bigot.

Your prejudice thinly guised as "lived experience" did it.