When are the 70s Rock Stars going to be held to account

[Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit]

So in view of Operation Yew Tree with Saville and the ‘Dogdy DJ’s’, Entertainers;
Andrew Mount Batton; Epstein Island/Al-Fayed trafficking scandals/grooming gangs..etc etc
is it unreasonable to think that at some point the rock star mega stars will be next (and need to be )
the whole phenomena of the ‘baby groupie’ ( 13/24/15 year old children in relationships as well as being passed around -let alone young fans queuing up to offer sexual favours to the stars 2/3/4 times their age ) is well documented in biographies/memoirs/interviews of both these young girls retrospectively and the stars at the time- Led Zeppelin /Rolling Stones/Bowie /Red Hot Chilli Peppers/ John Peel and so so many more

i wonder if the shit will hit the fan for these ageing rockers who lived like sex gods in the 70s/80s and thought they could have on tap sex //coercive relationships with ‘willing fans‘/ children back in the day

if you go down the rabbit hole and see how appalling some of our most beloved rock stars behaved (in modern terms -groomers/rapists as children cannot consent ) unbelievable and at some point this will come to a head

Oh, those pesky hormones causing adult men to rape 13 year old girls! We can’t blame the silly old things can we?!

Yes, really, most women don’t think like this.

lets stop excusing these men they knew what they were doing just there wasn’t the consequences

excuses will be made it was a different time 🙄 🤬 my answer to that is so basically a change in laws and attitude in society are needed for men to behave like decent human beings

I do not think we should be accepting these poor same old excuses as not all men were predatory towards girls and many still are just not so open about it

also there is a group of musicians that are so highly respected because they made great music, were trail blazers many refuse to accept they have sexually assaulted and raped children

but they did

In that case, these adult men need to do much, much better; or otherwise face prosecution.

If I can't just help myself to stuff from shops and walk out without paying - even though it might make me happy to be able to keep my money to spend on something else, and I find it simply too boring or uncool to actually bother waiting to pay - by how many magnitudes worse is it for somebody to decide to rape a child, simply because they were 'just too high on life' to bother to check if she was an adult or not?

Even if it were possible for an underage girl to consent to sex, what kind of grown man would actually want to have sex with a child? I think we all know what kind of man he would be - and most certainly not one who should be lionised and hero-worshipped, as most pop stars are.

Consent goes way deeper than simply asking somebody if they're sure that they definitely want to do something. Ask your average 4yo child if they definitely want to eat a dozen chocolate bars every day and they will almost certainly 'consent'... but the whole point is that they do not yet have the capacity to do so. They know that a chunk of chocolate tastes lovely, so 12 bars would be absolutely amazing, with no negatives at all... except that they don't understand the negatives yet and don't have the knowledge or experience to weigh up all of the necessary info and be able to make an informed choice.

It may sound dreadfully stuffy and boring, but children and underage young people do not know what they do not know.

so what about the baby groupies that the OP is talking about?

The poster you replied to said ‘Never did i think I would read on MN that a 13 year old can consent to sex with a man a decade older’, she didn’t mention the groupies.

I bet Tom Jones would be shitting himself if he read this thread.

I can’t believe the way Mandy Smith was treated by the press. She was 13 when Bill Wyman started dating her. He was nearly old enough to be her grandfather. How he escaped prosecution is mind boggling.
I also can’t abide the hero worshipping of people like Ozzy Osbourne. A wife beating, shit father if ever there was one. He abandoned his first child. I don’t care how good a singer some people think he was.
Same with drug addicts. No difference in my book between some molicoddled druggy rock star, and the smack head who hangs about town. Off topic I know but the difference in how they are perceived always puzzles me.

I’m pretty sure nearly ALL male pop rock stars can be guilty of enjoying the sexual opportunities that success brings them. When they were young!

take that
one direction
blur oasis all the indie bands
from the 90s
im sure that all had ample
opportunity too. The question is only an issue if the girls were under age.

I think it’s a grey area, but I hate the term “baby groupies” intensely. Like “rent boys” it suggests that somehow the underage DCs were responsible for entrapping the poor middle aged men.

This is true, but this discussion is about the baby groupies and the accountability of the rock stars thereof.

Bill Wyman did, at one point, hand himself into a police station. And I've said it once, and I'll say it again (on another post), what the hell did they talk about? Beside the point I know.

Look at the standing ovations Polanski gets - we all know what people think about celebs and underage girls/rape

I agree its sickening

as was the whole I am so shocked I never knew about Harvey Weinstein/Woody

weird that so many around the world did yet it had passed so in Hollywood by 🙄

Just putting in a good word here for actor Sean Wilson who left Coronation Street because they were going to put him in a story involving him having sex with an underage girl. He retrained as a cheese maker and won awards for his Lancashire cheese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeanWilson(actor)

Are you sure? There were reports that he'd been accused of sexual assault.

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/24763482.corries-sean-wilson-world-rocked-assault-accusation/

Not necessarily true.

Edited to add link.

I was totally unaware of that. How disappointing.

It's all ridiculously grim and they will never be brought to justice as they were and are worshipped as gods.

I will say though that what was acceptable in the past and now are different things. Just look at sense and sensibility where young teen Marianne marries the mid 30's captain. Or the sherman brothers singing you're 16, you're beautiful and you're mine.

Yes, thar song has been covered by lots of artists over the years, but I cannot see how it could possibly NOT be creepy.

If it were a similar-aged lad singing it to his girlfriend, why on earth would it even register in his mind - much less have him rubbing his thighs with perverse glee - that she's only 16, when he too is only 16 or 17?

Was what they did illegal at that time? While its obviously fucking disgusting, from what I've heard about the 70s it was a generally creepy era and men were openly perverts with no repurcussions - it was a normal part of life (according to my nan!).

If they broke laws at the time then they should definitely be held accountable. But if what they did was legal in the 70s then how can they be held accountable now? Wont that sets a weird precedent for people being allowed to be punished in the future for things that weren't illegal when they did them?

@Everynamehasgone99 “Was what they did illegal at the time?”

Yes.

‘Statutory rape is a legal term for sexual activity where one person is under the legal age of consent, even if that person verbally agreed to the act.’

However it’s farcical to think anyone would be getting prosecuted, let alone investigated.

Yes attitudes were different but it didn’t mean it was acceptable it was still seen as sleazy

why do men need laws and a change in attitudes to manage their behaviour around children and very young women

for once I will use not all men, because not all men did behave in such a way not all men are predatory

sadly it highlights more men are predatory that we care to admit and man of them have been our idols

let’s not excise their behaviour it was never ok

It's all so depressing.

In the case of Sean Wilson, it may actually have been untrue, having looked at it more closely.
https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/coronation-street-sean-wilson-unfounded-sex-claim-b1197414.html

False accusations are awful because they betray almost all women, in that most of us have been subject to some form of sexual aggression in our lives. Thankfully it's very rare, but the actual events are shockingly common, from the rock star to the pervy teacher.

I really think the only possible hope is to teach boys and men.how wrong this is and make convictions easier to secure.

Unfortunately, I don't think that's likely to happen any time soon.

Edited for typo.

I do not agree that false allegation betray almost all women. And maybe these women themselves have been victims themselves in the past (which is highly likely) no excuse for their false allegations but this stance is used as an excuse for people not to believe woman and children.

If I informed you I had my purse stolen would you question if this were true? We know people make false allegations to claim insurance but why are violent crimes towards woman and children always questioned with suspicion either by what we were doing, saying, wearing or what other woman have said that was not true

Marianne is 19 though at least when she marries him so at least over 18. And it is several times commented on as a big age gap, not seen as typical.