When are the 70s Rock Stars going to be held to account

[Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit]

So in view of Operation Yew Tree with Saville and the ‘Dogdy DJ’s’, Entertainers;
Andrew Mount Batton; Epstein Island/Al-Fayed trafficking scandals/grooming gangs..etc etc
is it unreasonable to think that at some point the rock star mega stars will be next (and need to be )
the whole phenomena of the ‘baby groupie’ ( 13/24/15 year old children in relationships as well as being passed around -let alone young fans queuing up to offer sexual favours to the stars 2/3/4 times their age ) is well documented in biographies/memoirs/interviews of both these young girls retrospectively and the stars at the time- Led Zeppelin /Rolling Stones/Bowie /Red Hot Chilli Peppers/ John Peel and so so many more

i wonder if the shit will hit the fan for these ageing rockers who lived like sex gods in the 70s/80s and thought they could have on tap sex //coercive relationships with ‘willing fans‘/ children back in the day

if you go down the rabbit hole and see how appalling some of our most beloved rock stars behaved (in modern terms -groomers/rapists as children cannot consent ) unbelievable and at some point this will come to a head

getting girls who had agency and chose their behaviour to testify will be a challenge.

I think this is also often a big issue, though, as when people are brought up/groomed from a young age in a culture where they are made to believe that certain things are normal and they don't know anything else, they will tend not to understand how damaging it was; sometimes they actually laugh at those who suggest as much.

I was watching a video by a respected journalist on YouTube only yesterday, much of which focused on a certain young man who has been brought up from a very young age to have a relationship with his very famous mother that many believe seems abusive and highly inappropriate in numerous ways. You'd almost think she was his girlfriend rather than his mum, by the way she acts around him. If it were a male celeb and his DD of the same age, I think it would be a lot more obvious (although it would still be dismissed by a lot of people as silly prudery, I'm sure). Safety pins can be a lifesaver when you have a potential wardrobe malfunction, can't they?

You've lost credibility by bringing Di Caprio into this - his girlfriends are not 'barely legal' at all.
You can rail against the fact he likes young women but women they are all the same.

Good god no it’s a part of her life she wouldn’t want her husband and kids to know about
also she would most likely be laughed out of town as the chap has national treasure status now here and across the pond.

How many great grandmothers are willing to go to court to be portrayed at best as a jezebel, at worst a slag, for something that happened 5 decades ago?

Yes this. Some lyrics back in the day (incl the 50s/60s) are shocking to hear today. You’re 16 you're beautiful and you’re mine (sung by a 26 yr old). Abba even had some dodgy lyrics - Does your mother know? You’re a tease you turn them on (about a 17yr old).

It’s possible to do both they aren’t mutually exclusive.

The idea being touted here that 13/14/15 year old girls had full capacity and agency and full knowledge of what they were getting into is staggering.
That a 14 year old who is vulnerable can fully know and understand the potential impact and consequences of having sex with multiple adult men and all the other shit that came with these encounters.

Many of the girls in the stories were known to have difficult and challenging home lives and many were likely vulnerable, abused and neglected already. Then comes along some coked up dickhead who decides they’re ’up for it’ so what’s the harm.

I agree with the poster earlier who said they had no idea the impact those early sexual experiences would continue to have on them.

So fuck off to all the excusers, apologists and victim blamers. They were CHILDREN and if a child wants to have sex with you after your gig, you say no and make sure someone sober and responsible is looking out for them because they shouldn’t have been backstage with you in the first place.

Children cannot consent and the onus is on the adult in the scenario to be sure of the age of their prospective sexual partner before engaging in sexual acts -so if in doubt stay out !

we were looking at pics of us as teens the other day only a handful of us at this age
I looked older for my age she less so.
She was short, not very developed, and a bit overweight with a shit short hair home hair cut -wonky fringe, and wore braces. (Although probably left them home that night for the gig)
looked 13/14 I’d say and not remotely hyper sexualised (tik tok pouty styley) in appearance
Yes she was a super fan and willing at the time until the other girl joined in which I think genuinely traumatised her as was naive and had no idea that was even a ‘thing’
The adults in the room should have known better.

18 is the age of consent in America, 19 year olds are literally 1 year older.
He dates women who are vulnerable to abuse because of the power dynamics in his relationship with them. The age/influence/finances.

So are the epstein victims slags?

Were your parents generally shit parents? Where did they think their 13 year old child was?

My dd recently stumbled across an article about Mandy smith and her marriage to bill wyman. The grooming from I think it was 13? And she was gobsmacked to find he’s never been held to account for it. Nor her parents in fact.

Jesus fucking christ. You and people like you are the reason abuse survivors don’t come forward and don’t get justice.

You’re disgusting.

So obvious who you are talking about, even before your line about safety pins.

She doesn't sound boring at all!

That’s a totally different situation, as you know.

This is why us older women are shut down. Your granddad might be lovely, but you can bet he laughed along at a child's embarrassment when one of his mates was sexually inappropriate towards her. We didn't start 'rape being illegal in marriage ' laws because it only happened to a minority of women. I knew there'd be a 'rape gang' post. FYI the investigations have started. But we didn't have our twons flooded with immigrants when we were being sexually harassed, even by workmen in our schools (as well as the odd teacher) in the70/80s. If we had tits, we were fair game, even if you got them at 12 and none of the adult men around us, blamed the other men, including your lovely grandads. They bought the newspapers with the very young faces, but big tits on page 3. It was women wanting change.

That is the reality of this witch hunt though.

Staying with our older cousin who they trusted -stupidly- but there were alot of us and they liked the break.
looking back they were largely oblivious to half of what we got up to -benign neglect to be fair

Justice is justice whenever it happened! All of this type of crime should be focussed in regardless how much time has elapsed

We still have an all consuming problem with the sexualisation of even very small girls, toddler hotpants and 'cute' slogans.

If you suggest that maybe it's not a good idea to dress your very small girl in short shorts and crop top or a bikini, you get accused of sexualising children. It is totally upside down.

When DD was small I always ended up buying her 'boys' shorts in the summer, as practical shorts were not even available.

My little niece is totally obsessed with beauty products and skincare. People are making more money than ever from the adultification of small girls.

As ever, we are not doing very much better than those before us.

The patriarchal systems in Afghanistan and the UK each have little girls primed for exactly what they want them to be when they become of use to men. It is just 2 different approaches. Opposite sides of the same coin.

And also, ‘abuse survivors’? Everyone of them?
Get a fucking grip.
Sexually active teenage girls desperate to have sex with rock stars often barely out of their teens themselves.

Oh you could say that a 19-year-old is a grown adult and that maybe they're able to make the decision for themselves.

The trouble with people like you focusing on the likes of DiCaprio is that it actually deflects from real abuse.

I'm sorry but your post is in my opinion nonsense.

None of that makes it ok for adult men to abuse girls.

These kids could all be walking around in tiny bikinis and we might not like it but they should be absolutely safe to do so.

She knew what she was doing
she did all the chasing
she made herself look older
she put herself in that position
where were her parents
why didn’t her parents stop her

same excuses always used when it comes to teenagers being exploited

and the whole idea it was fully consensual - a lot of these women and girls came away with life long injuries and were made to do things they didn’t want

read the stories - this isn’t just some 18yo rock star having a quick one night stand with a 15.5yo