When are the 70s Rock Stars going to be held to account

[Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit]

So in view of Operation Yew Tree with Saville and the ‘Dogdy DJ’s’, Entertainers;
Andrew Mount Batton; Epstein Island/Al-Fayed trafficking scandals/grooming gangs..etc etc
is it unreasonable to think that at some point the rock star mega stars will be next (and need to be )
the whole phenomena of the ‘baby groupie’ ( 13/24/15 year old children in relationships as well as being passed around -let alone young fans queuing up to offer sexual favours to the stars 2/3/4 times their age ) is well documented in biographies/memoirs/interviews of both these young girls retrospectively and the stars at the time- Led Zeppelin /Rolling Stones/Bowie /Red Hot Chilli Peppers/ John Peel and so so many more

i wonder if the shit will hit the fan for these ageing rockers who lived like sex gods in the 70s/80s and thought they could have on tap sex //coercive relationships with ‘willing fans‘/ children back in the day

if you go down the rabbit hole and see how appalling some of our most beloved rock stars behaved (in modern terms -groomers/rapists as children cannot consent ) unbelievable and at some point this will come to a head

Good for you for not allowing yourself to be groomed by older men when you were a young teen.

Also, about the other thing, some of us are capable of caring about crimes new and old , which should put your mind at ease that today's wronguns will be caught eventually 🤞even when they are hobbling around in zimmer frames.

Quite so. In a world of limited resources, focus on the now.
Rape has a tiny conviction rate, and the judiciary is quietly decriminalising sex crimes against women and children.
This is far more important than trying to go back and find convictable evidence for a rocker getting a blow job in 1972!

So the women desperate to sleep with this rock stars wouldneed to come forward and report thos to to police wouldn't they?

So has there been reports and the police are not dealing with them?

And that was in the 80s, NOT the 70s.

He's younger than me and I was still in school in 1980

So maybe I do have my facts right.

Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith

That’s awful, did she sneak out of the house at night?

Is it just the rock bands or we need to include The Beatles, Barry Manilow, Stevie Wonder, Tom Jones and Sir Cliff?

If you read the OP, she said ‘I wonder if the shit will hit the fan for these ageing rockers who lived like sex gods in the 70s/80’

And the Red Hot Chili Peppers formed in 1982.

So you don’t have your facts straight at all.

The thread title states 70s rockstars

David Bowie has died so not sure how he could be held accountable. People still listen to Michael Jackson’s music and not sure that they’d stop, even if someone could prove what a court couldn’t.

It is easier to go back and apologise to the children who were slut shamed. Eg Mandy Smith, Courtney Stodden, Monica Lewinsky (age wise an adult but exploited by POTUS) … To tell them that they didn’t deserve the way that they were treated publicly and their exploiters (the men or their families who knew) are shit.

If there are any children born to the groupies of that time then I hope that they were at least financially supported and that the children were able to get medical help for STDs that these men would have spread.

I agree with pp that the limited funds we have should be focused on the children abused today. We have lots in the UK right now before considering historical cases.

Just stop digging that hole.

Anthony Kiedis also claims he lost his virginity to to his dad’s girlfriend when he was 12, with his dad’s blessing. All kinds of fucked up

There is a difference between preying on young people, seeking out vulnerable individuals and grooming them which Saville did and the antics of rock stars who had young women throwing themselves at them and didn’t check their passports for their age (as Mick Jagger admitted) but remember these young women were old enough to be attending a concert, hanging around the stage door or following them to hotels.

A friend of mine had a scare, found out (aged 27) the girl who he had met in a (over 18) club and had a one night stand with was only 14 but as the club was over 18 and she didn’t look particularly young even then telling him she was a 20 year old student, how was he meant to know?

grooming is very very wrong but there’s a grey area which these fall into, not saying it’s right but it’s in the past and they didn’t know better at the time

A lot of them have now died so might be difficult.....

Agreed. Was coming on to say just this.

Is your sister prepared to go to the police about this?

I’m older and have the benefit of growing up in the time when the rock stars had groupies. I think that people today are imposing today’s standards on the 70s and that it’s a ‘ one size fits all’ scenario. It’s not. Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter were disgusting predators. But at the same time there was also a culture of groupies trying to get to the bands for the sole purpose of having sex. Some people were younger, some were not. Remember, this was the era of free love. Obviously, if someone found that they were taken advantage of, then that’s despicable. But for groupies, it was seen as a badge of honour to have slept with a famous musician and many people - regardless of age - went out with the sole purpose of doing that. I dont think that a retrospective witch hunt would serve any purpose at all and I really don’t think it would be fair.

@Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit. Did the artist in question know her age? After all this young person was not being supervised by their parent so would be reasonable to assume they were 16+ I’m slightly younger but my first gig without my mum was at 16, no way would I have been allowed to be roaming around at night in London to get access to rock stars. At 16 I was going regularly and via a friend we went backstage but it was well controlled, security guards and never saw any untoward activity despite them being top pop stars in their day.

Couldn’t agree more. We should focus on holding people to account in our own time. Exceptions should be made for abusive criminals like Savile of course, but I really don’t see the utility for society for witch hunts against people who were operating in a totally different context, where everyone was “willing” and the whole culture was in support. What’s the point of making individuals take the fall for the problematic attitudes of an entire era?

At a minimum it would be good if the exploits of these men wasn’t lionised

i remember reading a book about Led Zeppelin and their exploits and it was all very ‘ho ho, what lucky guys’ when the sexual exploitation and violence was awful

and yes I remember Mandy Smith - I was a teen then and the papers were trying to convince the world she was a manipulative teen using her sex appeal to snare a rich old guy. Not much different to a few decades later with Courtney Stodden

He also appears to keep dating women who have just become legal, then switching to another one when they get a bit too old.

Exactly this. This always gets lost in these types of discussion.

I agree with this.

Agree with this, which as per pp probably won’t be received well, but to place this on same level as grooming gangs is wrong.

Things don’t have to be on the same level to be wrong though

the attitude towards teenage girls is the problem - giving them the agency and power

mandy smith is a prime example of how men are allowed to get away with abusing girls by claiming they were seduced or victims of a vixen or she knew what she was doing. Exactly the same attitude you get from grooming gangs etc