When are the 70s Rock Stars going to be held to account

[Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit]

So in view of Operation Yew Tree with Saville and the ‘Dogdy DJ’s’, Entertainers;
Andrew Mount Batton; Epstein Island/Al-Fayed trafficking scandals/grooming gangs..etc etc
is it unreasonable to think that at some point the rock star mega stars will be next (and need to be )
the whole phenomena of the ‘baby groupie’ ( 13/24/15 year old children in relationships as well as being passed around -let alone young fans queuing up to offer sexual favours to the stars 2/3/4 times their age ) is well documented in biographies/memoirs/interviews of both these young girls retrospectively and the stars at the time- Led Zeppelin /Rolling Stones/Bowie /Red Hot Chilli Peppers/ John Peel and so so many more

i wonder if the shit will hit the fan for these ageing rockers who lived like sex gods in the 70s/80s and thought they could have on tap sex //coercive relationships with ‘willing fans‘/ children back in the day

if you go down the rabbit hole and see how appalling some of our most beloved rock stars behaved (in modern terms -groomers/rapists as children cannot consent ) unbelievable and at some point this will come to a head

If we want anything to change at a societal level, it absolutely is the issue. If we are only worried about men staying the right side of legal, you are correct.

I think it is about time that we start to focus on how girls put themselves in these situations (focus on the victims). We are not in a safe, happy or stable place for girls and women.

Times change!
I find it really difficult to get worked up about a pop star having sex with a willing teenager over 50 years ago.
Girls used to get married at that age- we can't keep harping back to things people did in a totally different era and under different social norms and holding them accountable under today's views. What we believe today will be different again in another 50 years.

Whether or not the girls pursued these men is entirely irrelevant.
You seem certain that there is no prospect of success in a potential future trial? Are you a criminal law solicitor or barrister?

A lot of these willing participants/alleged victims will be in their 60’s now.
There is zero chance of any convictions. It would just be a witch hunt out of vindictiveness.

Do you think it can be proven, five decades later, and beyond reasonable doubt, that the men knew the girl was underage? Or that they ever met in the first place, and engaged in sexual activity?

how far do you go back? why stop at the 70's? elvis?

why just the 70's?

He could say “no thanks I don’t find children sexually attractive”

Did they look like 'children'?

As I said- it depends on the evidence. A successful criminal trial for sexual assault is entirely possible even after many years.

Good Morning Little Schoolgirl
Young Girl
Sweet Little Sixteen
etc... there are some shockers, once you start looking.

Clearly lots of criminal law experts on here today……
I’m actually quite surprised at the number of apologists for these men.

I knew a woman through work who was in some PIE affiliated group back in the 70s. She didn't tell me of course, I found out and I always thought it weird she had two fake names, she was complaining to me about having to use her middle name for work purposes?!

We worked together for a bit and she did seem a bit odd. It if never have guessed she was a paedo sympathiser.

I told my mum and she said 'yeah the left in North London in the 70s did go a bit far'?!

It reads that people think men can’t help themselves and have no need to ascertain whether or not a woman is underage/coerced. Getting a woman/girl high or drunk and then having sex with them is also ok too I guess as that’s what happened in a lot of these groupie cases too

why do these men get a free pass and not AMW?

And i bet you the girls made efforts to make themselves appear older !

But then look at how Brittany spears sold herself dressed as a schoolgirl in her first big hit ! And she was droooled over ! Grown women can buy schoolgirl outfits as fancy dress ! So yeah plenty of messed up views are out there regarding what’s sexual - even today !

And all along men are the ones at fault ? It’s not that simple !

I just cannot put a 14-year-old girl actively seeking out sexual relations of her own free will with a rock star ( who was probably only 10 or so years older, maybe less, than her) in the same category as a disgusting predator like Gary Glitter using pimped out pre-pubescent children.

I just can't. I honestly cannot see how anybody could regard them as the same.

I can't muster up any hate for the 20-something rock star who had sex with a willing 15-year-old.
In some cases, the age gap would be far less than ten years, anyway.

Glitter, on the other hand, can rot in hell.

Jimmy Page is one creepy cunt.
Anthony Kiedis not being mentioned in the Epstein files was honestly quite a surprise to me, but then again he like DiCaprio seems to not give a fuck and is happy to flaunt his barely legal girlfriends.
Bowie had sex with Sable Starr, not sure how young she was at the time however.
People have always idolised musicians so much they’re almost god like status. They’ve had to be levels of extremity like Gary glitters or Ian Watkins to be held accountable.
Sex, drugs, rock n roll crowd have escaped their actions towards girls and very young or vulnerable women.
Even local pub band types have terrible reputations with how they treat women. I once kicked a very locally well known musician full force in the face for trying to get the knickers of my sleeping friend down after they’d plied us with drink all night in the early 2000s. They were about 15 years older than us (15/16 at the time) and thought it was fair game. She could handle alcohol pretty well actually, i do wonder if she was possibly spiked. The musician I kicked I occasionally see around after almost 20 years and even though I’m now an adult, the urge to wind down the car window and yell “nonce” is still hankering! Who knows, if I get to my 50s and it’s still going strong, I’ll do it.

The sad reality is these men will never come up for trial.

Some of these girls from that era (and yes I am old enough to remember) did throw themselves at these men. They would do anything to say they gave a bj to someone famous.

However, most of these stars would not have needed to go looking for ‘children’. On the other hand, Gary Glitter and the like actively sought out underage girls.

I can't speak for any individual cases, but there are many, many cases of brave people coming forward and there being 'not enough evidence' (which is kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy that you won't find evidence if you actively ignore it).

In some cases, it gets put back on to the victim and they and their reputation are thoroughly destroyed; sometimes they're made an example of for daring to criticise a 'much-loved national treasure' and made to regret it.

Victims/critics of Savile were coming forward for years and years and they were slapped away or silenced - just as John Lydon was, and he was well-known and in a position of relative power; it didn't only first come to light once Savile had died (and conveniently could no longer implicate anybody else).

And much as certain people would like us to think that Savile, Harris and the others were/are isolated lone wolves, they very, very much were not.

Nobody is stopping you. Crack on.

However, going after dead men is a bit Pyrrhic and getting girls who had agency and chose their behaviour to testify will be a challenge.

Also if the alleged offences took place in the USA where there is STILL no minimum age for marriage with parental consent and Georgia only raised its age of consent from 14 to 16 in 1995 and Hawaii in 2001 it is going to be proper pickle.

I remember a thread from probably a couple of years ago now where people were talking about 16yo girls having boyfriends who were in their 20s or even considerably older - some of whom would pick them up from school and then they'd go off and sleep together.

IIRC, there were two or three of us who were horrified at this; but the vast majority of posters were there with the "She's over the age of consent", "Girls mature much earlier than boys", "Don't be such a killjoy" etc. I was just reading through the whole thread with my mouth agape.

I think we might even have had the accusations of sexism and misogyny for daring to suggest that a 16yo girl didn't fully know her own mind and have full agency when choosing to have sex with a man who was 5, 10, 20 or more years older than her.

A "witch hunt" means that the person - usually a woman - was innocent - so doesn't apply here does it.

A lot of the arguments here are similar to those used by the police not to investigate grooming gangs

I agree with this in general terms. But there were girls in my home town who competed to shag pop stars. They went to gigs together, found out where bands were staying and got into the hotels, buttered up road crews to gain access. Sometimes a couple of girls would be taken along in the bus.

They weren't looking for lurve - and possibly not even for a good time, except special 'grown-up' access to what they saw as a glamorous world. They just ... it was like a hobby, almost a sport they played together.

I'm not saying they knew what they were doing, in the sense of seeing a big picture. They were choosing to do it, though, they weren't being misled. I would actually be surprised if they ended up traumatised from that episode of their lives. None of the girls I knew became girlfriends; more traumatising events may have happened if they'd stuck around and got enmeshed.

I was young in the seventies and it was a different time. I had a couple of friends who were desperate to sleep with singers/band members. They were 15. They went into it with eyes open. It was accepted for teachers to date students once they had left school at 16. No one batted an eyelid at 25 year olds going out with 17 year olds. So no, I don’t think we should be going after people now. Epstein’s trafficking was on a different scale and JS and GG wanted sex with children not sexually active teenagers. Would I want my 15 year old daughter shagging a pop star? Hell no-but don’t pretend that every 15 year old who wants to have sex is an unwilling victim. Most of us in the 1970s were fully aware of what we were doing.