To think the Green Party and esp its Deputy Leader is a real worry for women

[CraftyTaupeBee]

Over the last few months I have watched with incredulity the rise of the Green Party in the polls and wondered if I am alone in this. Mothin Ali their Deputy publicly celebrated Oct 7th (which he then apologised for) and has been seen this week at an event mourning the death of the Ayatollah. I am not anti any religion but his wife is fully covered in a niqab and I feel despite what others say to have a woman's face fully covered is a tool of oppression and not something I would want in a leader as a value set. I realise others may not feel this way and it is not meant to be offensive but the facts are there.And recently a female spin doctor for the Greens alleged that rape had not taken place on Oct 7th. To me the Green Party is reminiscent of what happened in 1979 and something that ultimately affected women's rights drastically (as well as any other rights of the gay community and others). The soft left (much like the Greens) allowed the strict islamic vote to take hold and look where they ended up. This really worries me for the country. Am I the only one? And why does the Green Party seem to be so anti west and anti white. I realise Zack Polanksi is gay and jewish and they are strange bedfellows but it feels like a trojan horse mindset and not something I want for my western liberal feminist girls. In fact it feels anti feminist?

I consider this Green Party to be more ‘ the new Green Party ‘ as they are completely different to the one that I remember in the 80s!

Because it's true in the case of Polanski.

The very act of allowing men to self ID as women takes away womens special protections under the law, because it makes a nonsense of them if any man can put on a dress and walk into any woman only space.

The Greens oppose the two most powerful tools we have to limit carbon emissions.

They oppose nuclear power: by far the most carbon-efficient energy source there is.

They oppose carbon trading: ie, rather than spend money to reduce carbon a lot in places where it’s cheap to do so, they would choose to spend it to reduce carbon a little in the UK, where doing so is very expensive.

When they must choose between climate results and ideology, ideology wins every time.

He is ethnically Jewish (presumably through Matrilineal descent) but secular and atheist.

The only policy I have heard then talk about that is vaguely related to the environment is being used to justify open borders, which will mean having to have huge tranches of the countryside built over for housing, making us even less self sufficient in food production. Brighton has one of the worst recycling rates in the country. Their interest in the environment comes at the most, 5th in their list of priorities.

Some women are far more affected by other issues related to being a woman than anything to do with transpeople. We might say you are privileged for being able to prioritise this issue of which there are a tiny number of trans people overall.

Women affected by the 'trans issue' are disproportionately the poor and marginalised. Wealthy Middle class women think they will never be in prison or women's domestic abuse shelter. They will never be stopped from going swimming or doing exercise because they don't want to/or wont be allowed to change or exercise in front of a man. Women who have got more to worry about than privileged women are the ones who's lives will be made worse by self ID.

@Pacificsunshine Thanks. “Allahu Akbar!” is more like “Praise Jesus!” I don’t want any politicians ostentatiously saying either. It’s too personal.
It is turning it into a public affirmation, a 'badge' that immediately shows where you loyalty is. A small step away from becoming a war cry.

Are you having a giraffe? The NHS can't even use the word 'woman' these days because of these 'tiny number of trans people'. This affects everyone even if you have no idea about what has been going on for the last decade.

He is Jewish, Ashkenazi Jews. I can't find any quotes from him about whether he actually practices the religion or if it's more a cultural thing. He describes himself as vegan and gay, does not do alcohol or drugs and never has. His mother has posted on social media statements that seems to say that she is a Zionist or agrees with it. Must be some fun discussion when they get together.

Just a bunch of communist/marxists who love transexuals and want to flood the UK with immigrants. Anyone who votes for them either hates women or is delusional.

Yeah I mean the Greens must be doing some incredible mental gymnastics on this. On the one hand they’re saying yep men welcome in areas women are naked and on the other hand saying yep we support an ideology that says women should be covered head to toe in public to not create desire amongst men but if the same woman told to cover up in public wants to use a women’s changing room they need to strip naked in front of a man otherwise they’re bigoted.

The only common denominator here that allows the Greens to make sense of this is that men can do whatever they want, women should put up and shut up and live their lives according to men’s whims (probably why they employ women who say women who have been raped are lying) This is the ideology of the Greens misogynistic clap trap. How the hell can any woman vote for that???

Some people are more concerned about people like them dying at increased rates while receiving what should be standard care. That's what I mean, if you arent many times more likely to die just because of where you or your parents come from, then you do have time to think about these other issues that are more abstract and not everyone who could be affected feels is detrimental to their own care.

Not all women are bothered by trans inclusive language in healthcare. All Black women are bothered that they have a much higher chance of dying in labour.

Utter codwallop. Having nearly died in Labour and left with ptsd by appalling care, I would still absolutely not want a bloke trying to claim he’s a woman as part of my care team. It’s possible to think of two things at once. Why the hell would I want someone on a birthing team who knew so little about gynocology that he didn’t realise having a willy made you a bloke? Who no doubt gets off on calling me a birthing parents and telling me to chest feed. Because obviously it’s all about his own misogynistic self service than the Mum giving birth. Honestly!!!!

Perhaps if the NHS stuck to biology we would not be in the ludicrous situation of people not understanding that chopping bits off or attempting to add bits does not change sex, and that knowing a person's sex is important in medical situations. I find it completely crackers that medical professionals in recent, well publicised, employment cases couldn't apparently understand that and struggled with being able to identify males and females. I don't find that inspires confidence.
The issues of appropriate care is another issue, and again, the NHS should address that in various sectors of the service. Having an adult child who is currently battling with the psychiatric service, I can say I find lots of the staff not very capable. But that's another matter.

I really don't think it's too much to ask to expect our politicians to be able to walk AND chew gum.

We need to be able to consider more than one thing at a time. Us humans can do that, you know!

The issues you mention in your post are real, are appalling, and need to be changed. Eroding women's rights to the very point of being unable to define what a woman even is does not conflict with dealing with the issues you mention. In fact, they are intertwined.

For services for women to improve, it's vital that those in charge are completely clear-eyed about what a woman is, and how women have particular needs that are different to those of men, because of our biology, and because of the way women have been treated as second class citizens because of our sex.

Pissing about pretending a man can be a woman is a complete distraction from all that, and no thinking person should be entertaining it.

Thank you

And to @RainbowBagels

I was just googling too and wiki said ‘His Jewish family had moved to the UK from Poland, but originated from Latvia which they fled to escape pogroms (initially to Ukraine, then to Poland)[2][3] in the early twentieth century and had adopted the surname of Paulden in hopes of evading antisemitism.[4][5] His parents divorced when he was young.[6] At age 18, he changed his name, restoring his familial name of Polanski, later saying it was important for him to take pride in his identity.[4]He also changed his first name, selecting Zack in homage to the Jewish character of the same name from the novel Goodnight Mister Tom,’

and google said he had a secular upbringing.

That’s interesting because he’s the exact age of my husband and they have a the exact same story. As matrimonial. So Zack would be third gen from his GP coming over and technically he is Jewish. But no way would my husband declare himself Jewish. Even though he knows he is technically both ethically jewish and religiously through matrimonial Jewish.

This is hard to explain.

I have made my judgment and I am pretty sure I can’t write it. But yeah, basically it’s not improved my view of him at all.

I increasingly think posts like this are started by either bots or people working for Reform. There are so many anti Labour/Green/Starmer posts atm, it seems like a targeted campaign to sway floating voters on mumsnet. Under the guise of "issues which affect women".

And I did think best not to assume so just went to ask DP his thoughts as someone in the exact same situation.

And his quote was a big sigh and ‘absolute nonsense’

lol. I mean on the other hand, one might actually see both the Greens and Labour as the misogynistic pricks they are!

As a matter of interest, do you believe women were raped on Oct 7 by the Hamas fighters?

Thinking that women exist and should have a word which covers all women and no men, is nothing to do with Reform. Not having a word for the group of people who share a biology which sometimes matters in their lives, should be a matter of reality, not political allegiance.

If you think that pointing out that women exist and have rights will sway floating voters to Reform, maybe you should be asking why the nominally left/centre left parties are so unwilling to support the notion that women as a group exist. The speed and carelessness with which those parties were on board with giving women's rights away to make some men happy showed them up for the misogynists they are. That may not be a deal breaker for you, but for a lot of women it is and we are therefore politically homeless.

The fact that so many posters (and politicians) are trying to solve that problem by telling us we are wrong, and are bigots/Reform supporters/Nazis/bots/being petty, basically telling us to shut up rather than considering the issue or even, heaven forfend, upsetting the men they gave our stuff to without asking, says a lot. Respect my sex if you want my X.

This is along the same lines as " you're a racist" designed to shut down debate.

You can be anti Reform and anti Greens...it doesn't follow that disliking the Greens for their anti women policies means you support Reform.

Many people are politically homeless but the Greens and Reform are not the answer.

Don’t disagree, that’s why I can’t vote for them even though the actual stuff they do locally is ok. I think (naively) they still think they are part of the Green Party they joined 30 years ago