To think the Green Party and esp its Deputy Leader is a real worry for women

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Over the last few months I have watched with incredulity the rise of the Green Party in the polls and wondered if I am alone in this. Mothin Ali their Deputy publicly celebrated Oct 7th (which he then apologised for) and has been seen this week at an event mourning the death of the Ayatollah. I am not anti any religion but his wife is fully covered in a niqab and I feel despite what others say to have a woman's face fully covered is a tool of oppression and not something I would want in a leader as a value set. I realise others may not feel this way and it is not meant to be offensive but the facts are there.And recently a female spin doctor for the Greens alleged that rape had not taken place on Oct 7th. To me the Green Party is reminiscent of what happened in 1979 and something that ultimately affected women's rights drastically (as well as any other rights of the gay community and others). The soft left (much like the Greens) allowed the strict islamic vote to take hold and look where they ended up. This really worries me for the country. Am I the only one? And why does the Green Party seem to be so anti west and anti white. I realise Zack Polanksi is gay and jewish and they are strange bedfellows but it feels like a trojan horse mindset and not something I want for my western liberal feminist girls. In fact it feels anti feminist?

These posts are so Labour but also a bit old hat. Maybe pre GE everyone posted anyone not Labour was a bot but the polls are so low now for them.

You’ll just have to get used to non Labour opinions on mn.

Why can't you write your judgement? Would it break MN guidelines?

You’ve got things upside down.

It is working class, less privileged, women who bear the brunt of the erosion of women’s rights the most.

It is trans ideology that is the absolute epitome of a luxury belief. Usually pushed by middle class types who love the smug feeling of how very kind they are, safe in the knowledge that they and their family won’t remotely face the prospect of sharing a prison cell for 23 hours a day with a convicted rapist. Or can go private rather than share an NHS ward with men. To give just two examples.

Easy to ‘be kind’ when you’re not the one bearing the consequences.

Don’t less privileged women deserve kindness too?

There’s a rather nasty whiff of classism amongst a lot of the pushing of trans ideology.

It’s not that trans people are a tiny number, it’s the effect on the 51% of the population who fall into the oppressed class (women), when men’s ‘rights’ are privileged above women’s.

If you truly are so concerned about women’s’bigger’ problems, why vote for a party that sidelines them in favour of men?

Some of us know what its like to need a single sex DV refuge and/or single sex rape crisis centres. Yet under the greens there isn't a single rape crisis therapy session or group therapy for women only in all of Brighton they all allow men on a self id basis causing women to self exclude and with no women only DV services women are staying with their abusers.
Allowing men especially those who claim a special identity into womens spaces is the most dangerous and harmful thing to women.
The fact that you cant see the harm shoes how privileged you are

What on earth has happened to the Green Party? That spokeswoman's statements about Oct7th? Unbelievable. Ok, they want to use Gaza in elections, but dear god, don't tranple over women and Jews just to get there.
It's shocker that she's made those claims about Jewish women and rape, even worse that the Green Party haven't said anything to counter it.

Well, I hate to say this, but you're absolutely right. Which is worrying about the Green Party's move in that direction.
I'm hoping that it's just an ill conceived glitch, and that they re-set themselves and dismiss that spokeswoman.

Excellent points. I'm very sorry to hear that you (and other women) who have needed/need this support, experience this male incursion. 💐

Nah there almost financial (aswell as morally) bankrupt due to all the discrimination cases they've lost against their own members and with the upcoming cases (4 that i can think of off the top of my head) they will be a bankrupted former political party soon all because they won't accept that women have rights that men cant have.
If they're happy to kill the .party over mens wants they are unlikely to deal with antisemitism when they made it part of the party by choice

Agreed.
I would vote for ANY party before I'd vote green.

Interesting, I didn't know this - thanks.

I don’t know. Someone is going to take offence. I am sure people can read between the lines.

But if you want me to try to spell it out…

A) I think he’s a wanker anyway. So the starting point of my view and language to describe him is not great to begin with.

B) When I think about someone with DPs background changing their name to be Jewish, 3rd gen whilst bought up secular and not practicing, sidling up with Islamic extremists and joining bands with from the river to the sea brothers whilst proclaiming publically But I AM Jewish as a public figure… well it’s bringing up all kinds of topics - appropriatisation, victim mentality, false legitimacy to proclaim such views, identity politics, and a few choice words.

Thanks for your honest reply. I am not sure about Polanski, tbh. I waver between liking him and feeling there is something "off" about him.

Because when you actually look at it, it feels less like a fresh political movement and more like a sort of political recycling centre for former Tories who couldn’t quite make it work the first time round. Led by Nigel Farage, who has spent the better part of three decades in politics while somehow still managing to present himself as the anti-establishment outsider.

And the politics increasingly feels like a British version of the whole Make America Great Again playbook lots of culture-war noise, plenty of grievance, vague promises to “take the country back”, and rather less clarity on what actually improves people’s lives. Scratch the surface and the policies start looking pretty familiar: deregulating workers’ protections, weakening renter rights, being very relaxed about billionaire influence, and occasionally floating ideas about regulating women’s bodies like the last few decades of progress were a bit of an optional extra. All wrapped up in the language of “freedom”, which curiously always seems to mean fewer protections for ordinary people and more freedom for the already powerful.

So yes, I'll focus on keeping them out whether it means voting Labour or Green.

I agree, greens have gone a long way from being about composting and recycling
They won't get my vote.

No problem.

Obviously going to be in the camp of 100% something off. If DP carried on like that I am pretty sure his family would think he’s having a psychotic break

You're not a black woman who is more likely to die just by being who we are and looking like we do.

As a Black woman, I am more concerned about people understanding my increased risk of death. I really dont care if the people who understand that are men, women, a man who thinks he's a woman or a woman who thinks she's a man. I know most of my Black friends and family feel the same way.

No, the two issues are totally unrelated. If trans people were all exterminated or never existed to begin with, Black people would still have worse health outcomes than their counterparts due to systemic racism.

I am not only concerned about services for women. Systemic racism in healthcare (well all) systems affects my father, my sons, my partner and my brothers, too.

What do you feel about tge fact that men who claim to be women are 5 times more likely to be a sexual predator thanmen who identify as men? And would you still be happy having a trans identifying male at your gynaecological appointments or delivery

Yes! I would be happy with ANY qualified practitioner who understands the issues with healthcare for Black people. That is more important for me than the tiny chance someone male and/or trans might SA me in a medical appointment. This is what I mean about us having different priorities based on who we are.

I'm quite capable of being able to think that 2 separate things are wrong.
So pretending that men become women and medical professionals tying themselves in knots rather than accept basic biology and looking like complete fools in the process leads me to think incompetence.
Women having worse outcomes in labour due to ethnicity or poverty or any other characteristic is also wrong and signals incompetence also.
FWIW, I was told I wasn't in labour because I only had a backache. I was told to go home and come back when the pain was too bad. Had I followed their advice I would have given birth at home with my DH delivering the baby. That too was incompetence.
Yes, I do understand that racism also plays a part for lots of reasons, but my opinion is that many medical professionals are just not that good. They can't think outside of a narrow box. Many have opinions that are set in stone and refuse to accept they are wrong.
Allowing men to access female spaces doesn't make females' lives easier, it just creates problems which should not exist.
And don't get me started on the mental health workers who my son deals with.

It worked fine during the post war concensus

Can you link where you got that chart, please? I would like to read more.

I’m not sure that it did. You might need to flesh that out a little more.