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To think the Green Party and esp its Deputy Leader is a real worry for women

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CraftyTaupeBee · 06/03/2026 18:37

Over the last few months I have watched with incredulity the rise of the Green Party in the polls and wondered if I am alone in this. Mothin Ali their Deputy publicly celebrated Oct 7th (which he then apologised for) and has been seen this week at an event mourning the death of the Ayatollah. I am not anti any religion but his wife is fully covered in a niqab and I feel despite what others say to have a woman's face fully covered is a tool of oppression and not something I would want in a leader as a value set. I realise others may not feel this way and it is not meant to be offensive but the facts are there.And recently a female spin doctor for the Greens alleged that rape had not taken place on Oct 7th. To me the Green Party is reminiscent of what happened in 1979 and something that ultimately affected women's rights drastically (as well as any other rights of the gay community and others). The soft left (much like the Greens) allowed the strict islamic vote to take hold and look where they ended up. This really worries me for the country. Am I the only one? And why does the Green Party seem to be so anti west and anti white. I realise Zack Polanksi is gay and jewish and they are strange bedfellows but it feels like a trojan horse mindset and not something I want for my western liberal feminist girls. In fact it feels anti feminist?

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Firry · 16/03/2026 15:17

I worry it will be like Brexit. People struggling to have fulfilling lives for whatever reason might think ‘tax the rich’ sounds like a good option, and hear the economists stating that their economic policies are bunkum but think ‘what the heck, life can’t get much worse’ so go for it, and find out how much worse life really can get when they realise that yes, the rich did already pay high taxes, and now they’ve moved overseas they aren’t, so public services are much worse and benefits are much lower, and growth has died because who on earth would choose to base a company in the UK any more.

EasternStandard · 16/03/2026 15:20

RainbowBagels · 16/03/2026 15:13

I suspect they don't. So many of them have benefitted from Capitalism ( either them or through their parents- private schools, inheritances, trust funds etc, the dreaded landlords) I suspect they are gambling on forever protesting against unfairness while quietly benefitting from privilege themselves.

You’re right about that. At the same time the same were adamant Labour would deliver, they’re failing so on to Green promotion next.

Still you have a point.

Bertiebiscuit · 16/03/2026 15:25

Sorry but the Polanski hypnoboob story turned out to be completely TRUE - in fact BBC news aired it very recently, explaining that in spite of Mr P trying to say it wasn't true, they had the evidence in black and white. What a ridiculous man he is, and trying to squirm off the hook makes him look even worse tbh.

RainbowBagels · 16/03/2026 15:31

Firry · 16/03/2026 15:17

I worry it will be like Brexit. People struggling to have fulfilling lives for whatever reason might think ‘tax the rich’ sounds like a good option, and hear the economists stating that their economic policies are bunkum but think ‘what the heck, life can’t get much worse’ so go for it, and find out how much worse life really can get when they realise that yes, the rich did already pay high taxes, and now they’ve moved overseas they aren’t, so public services are much worse and benefits are much lower, and growth has died because who on earth would choose to base a company in the UK any more.

Not to mention their defence policy is pie in the sky. We have underfunded defence for years, because we are being subsidised by the evil US. If The Greens pull out of NATO they will have to spend shed loads on defence, which will go down like a bucket of cold sick with their voters. We would also be subsidising the defence of the ' global south' which apparently are going to join us as a NATO alternative. Those 100 billionnaires will have to pay 100% tax, and even then it will pay for about 6 months of bills. Then what?

Bertiebiscuit · 16/03/2026 15:31

Saying that a man cannot be a woman is not "anti trans" its PRO WOMAN. Most sane women do not want males in their toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, Refuges, Rape crisis services, or Prisons. Any woman who claims not to care obviously has no daughters, knows no survivors of male violence, or are so rich they don't expect to ever need any of these safe spaces. In other words they have zero care for less well off women. Gee thanks

Bertiebiscuit · 16/03/2026 15:57

Yep. "Cis" is a meaningless made bit of enforced speech that is a useful red flag for me, anyone who uses it is automatically not to be trusted about anything tbh.

inamarina · 16/03/2026 16:27

RainbowBagels · 16/03/2026 15:13

I suspect they don't. So many of them have benefitted from Capitalism ( either them or through their parents- private schools, inheritances, trust funds etc, the dreaded landlords) I suspect they are gambling on forever protesting against unfairness while quietly benefitting from privilege themselves.

I think you’re right. I know someone who’s pretty much the way you’ve described (thanks to inheritance).

TheodoreisntBeth · 16/03/2026 17:42

crackofdoom · 16/03/2026 08:40

I would say the most egregious example of men "being given access to women at their most vulnerable" would be a heterosexual relationship, wouldn't you?

Perhaps you should concentrate your ire on domestic abuse, sexual abuse within a relationship, the massive imbalance in labour when it comes to child rearing, the financial hit that women invariably take to have kids, the laughable approach to child maintenance in this country and the travesty of justice that is the family courts. All of which I, and many of my friends, have personally experienced, and if you're privileged enough not to have experienced, well then bully for you.

But I guess it's a lot less scary to pick on a marginalised, vulnerable bunch of people than really speak truth to power, isn't it.

Middle aged straight white men with a sexual fetish aren't marginalised or vulnerable. By any metric. At all.

https://thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

OonaStubbs · 16/03/2026 18:21

Why doesn't someone start a normal party for normal people instead of pandering to extremists, in either direction? Most people don't have extreme political views, they just want to be left alone, to pay a reasonable amount of taxation and have their bins emptied, to be able to drive on roads that are not cratered with potholes, and for criminals to be locked up. Why isn't any party making that their main focus?

Pacificsunshine · 16/03/2026 19:02

I think their plan is to fall out of NATO and do nothing. I guess they think everyone will just leave us alone because we are so lovely. 🙄

RainbowBagels · 16/03/2026 19:20

inamarina · 16/03/2026 16:27

I think you’re right. I know someone who’s pretty much the way you’ve described (thanks to inheritance).

Yes lots of them in the media, one of the most nepotistic, unmeritocratic industries in the country, yet very hard Left. I suppose the more people taking about Gaza the fewer people talking about unpaid internships.

RainbowBagels · 16/03/2026 19:22

OonaStubbs · 16/03/2026 18:21

Why doesn't someone start a normal party for normal people instead of pandering to extremists, in either direction? Most people don't have extreme political views, they just want to be left alone, to pay a reasonable amount of taxation and have their bins emptied, to be able to drive on roads that are not cratered with potholes, and for criminals to be locked up. Why isn't any party making that their main focus?

Anyone who did this I think would have a chance. Most people are centrist and don't want to be called fascists or Communists for it.

RainbowBagels · 16/03/2026 19:24

Pacificsunshine · 16/03/2026 19:02

I think their plan is to fall out of NATO and do nothing. I guess they think everyone will just leave us alone because we are so lovely. 🙄

Didn't Polanski say he'd ask Putin to get rid of his nuclear weapons? I presume hypnosis? How about Iran? At least Russia isn't a death cult!

EasternStandard · 16/03/2026 19:31

RainbowBagels · 16/03/2026 19:24

Didn't Polanski say he'd ask Putin to get rid of his nuclear weapons? I presume hypnosis? How about Iran? At least Russia isn't a death cult!

Yes he’d probably ask. If we do it can you, and he’d believe them when they say sure.

Firry · 16/03/2026 19:37

TheodoreisntBeth · 16/03/2026 17:42

Middle aged straight white men with a sexual fetish aren't marginalised or vulnerable. By any metric. At all.

https://thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

Thanks. I’d always baulked at the ‘most vunerable’ nonsense myself.

inamarina · 16/03/2026 19:54

RainbowBagels · 16/03/2026 19:24

Didn't Polanski say he'd ask Putin to get rid of his nuclear weapons? I presume hypnosis? How about Iran? At least Russia isn't a death cult!

I remember reading about it too, so I just googled it and that was the result:

Zack Polanski, the leader of the Green Party of England and Wales, confirmed in a November 2025 interview on Sky News that he would try to persuade Vladimir Putin to give up Russia’s nuclear weapons.
During the interview with Trevor Phillips, Polanski advocated for global denuclearisation and outlined a plan where the UK would lead by example:

  • The Proposal: Polanski stated that as Prime Minister, he would scrap the UK’s nuclear deterrent (Trident) and subsequently use diplomacy to "ask Putin to do same".
  • "Realms of the Miracle": When Phillips suggested that Putin disarming because he was asked would be "in the realms of the miracle," Polanski responded, "I think it's important that we don't laugh at peace".
  • Historical Comparison: He compared the difficulty of such a negotiation to the dismantling of apartheid in South Africa or the peace process during the Irish Troubles, arguing that "it's always impossible until it's done".
  • Likelihood vs. Intent: While he admitted he did not think Putin disarming was necessarily "likely," he maintained that it would be "sociopathic" for a leader to refuse to engage in negotiations for peace.

Interesting how he mentions South Africa as a historical example, and not Ukraine, who actually agreed to give up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for security commitments from Russia, the US and the UK.

RainbowBagels · 16/03/2026 22:08

Likelihood vs. Intent: While he admitted he did not think Putin disarming was necessarily "likely," he maintained that it would be "sociopathic" for a leader to refuse to engage in negotiations for peace.
Yes that famous not at all sociopathic Vladimir Putin!
A strange coincidence then, that historically the longest period in history of peace in Europe has been since we've had a nuclear deterrent.

Aislyn · 16/03/2026 22:17

Yanbu

Only an absolute nutter would vote for the greens at present.

A woman voting green would be lime a turkey voting for Christmas.

They are worse than reform: they pretend to be 'liberal' yet are a disaster for women's rights. A wolf in sheep's clothing.

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 17/03/2026 07:15

Aislyn · 16/03/2026 22:17

Yanbu

Only an absolute nutter would vote for the greens at present.

A woman voting green would be lime a turkey voting for Christmas.

They are worse than reform: they pretend to be 'liberal' yet are a disaster for women's rights. A wolf in sheep's clothing.

Exactly. I can’t fathom how anyone can look at their policies and not see the wholesale damage they would cause. No more women’s rights, no more gay rights, the rise of Islamism, legalising drugs and prostitution and an economic policy of taxing the rich until they leave and… oh yes, open borders.

We would be no longer able to recognise our country and civilisation.

inamarina · 17/03/2026 07:34

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 17/03/2026 07:15

Exactly. I can’t fathom how anyone can look at their policies and not see the wholesale damage they would cause. No more women’s rights, no more gay rights, the rise of Islamism, legalising drugs and prostitution and an economic policy of taxing the rich until they leave and… oh yes, open borders.

We would be no longer able to recognise our country and civilisation.

I fully agree with you, but I think people who currently support the Green party perceive the things you’ve listed quite differently.
I guess they see it as pro trans rights, pro multiculturalism (with a bit of “Free Palestine!” thrown into it), “sex work is work” and anti shaming culture, and “we don’t need the rich if they don’t want to pay their share” (without looking into how much “the rich” actually contribute).

BunfightBetty · 20/03/2026 17:21

Nick Wallis posted on his Twitter feed today a video of a discussion between Zach and Dr Amin Khan, who proceeds to speak at length about the health inequities women suffer because the medical profession has treated us as men, rather than study female biology in medical research.

Dr Khan expounds at length about how we respond differently to treatment and have different medical needs to men because of our biology. Dear Zach has to simply sit and nod while the importance of biology is hammered home to him.

His face is an absolute picture - utterly hilarious to watch.

Lalgarh · 20/03/2026 18:22

He's probably able to simultaneously believe female biology is different from males, AND TWAW

RainbowBagels · 20/03/2026 18:24

Lalgarh · 20/03/2026 18:22

He's probably able to simultaneously believe female biology is different from males, AND TWAW

More like he is simultaneously able to believe in biology when he's talking to one set of his voter base and TWAW when talking to another. He is always able to believe in himself.

BunfightBetty · 21/03/2026 00:04

Lalgarh · 20/03/2026 18:22

He's probably able to simultaneously believe female biology is different from males, AND TWAW

I suspect he's always able to believe women should be subjugated if there's a man somewhere who might otherwise be sad.

MulberryFresser · 21/03/2026 08:05

RainbowBagels · 20/03/2026 18:24

More like he is simultaneously able to believe in biology when he's talking to one set of his voter base and TWAW when talking to another. He is always able to believe in himself.

100% remember he can hypnotise breasts to be larger.

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