If you’re mourning the loss of Ayatollah Ali Khameni in the U.K., why do you want to live in the U.K.?

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This is just a genuine question, and maybe a little ignorant on my part. But if you essentially worship someone who hates the West and everything the West stands for so much, why do you choose to live in the U.K.? Surely you must hate living here and would prefer to live in countries which follow similar repressive approaches as the IR, so why wouldn’t you move there?

And why has the U.K. allowed the Iranian’s to have an Embassy in London for so long, if they are so anti the West and are such a big security threat to our freedom.

This isn’t a goading post and has nothing to do with moderate Islam, I just don’t understand if you have such extreme views, why you choose to stay in a country that goes against everything you believe in?

Oh yeah we all travel on a tube, catch a London bus or attend a pop concert terrified of what those Christian fundamentalists are going to do next (not) and the Jewish synagogues needing to ramp up security to protect themselves against another crazed Christian (again not).

I suppose its because they have different religious and political beliefs predominately held in the UK?
There may be many reasons why a person may live in a country they dont share political and religious beliefs with.(family,work etc)
I worked with an iranian man who supported the Khameni regime and im sure is sad about his demise, he was here for a job/study opportunity and had family connections here but hoped to go back.
I know an Iranian girl who lives in Iran she hates the Khameni regime and is pleased at it being attacked .

The only "qualification" he needs to be president of the US is to be democratically elected by the people is it not?

You know what? Fair point. I agree with you.

I misread that part of the post as a different issue, not "just as dangerous as extreme Islam". That bit I disagree with.

This is a simplistic response to a simplistic argument though. I think it’s legitimate for people to feel concern about some aspects of the way a small extreme within Muslim communities operate in the UK - that some areas have advisers on sharia law for example, or that hate clerics funded by Iran are supported and prospering, or even the fact that a significant proportion of meat consumed in the Uk is halal slaughtered. Maybe some is drive by prejudice but it’s a dangerous path to say voicing opposition to these things makes us racist per se. When institutions take this view of not criticising certain behaviours for fear of being accused of racism, look at the horrors that have ensued.

& born in the US (hence birther movement re Obama!)

Well yes, if their host country feels their behaviour isn’t aligned and is problematic then they absolutely should.

well I’m in ‘total denial’ of anything, I’m just saying there isn’t enough of them to take over the U.K. and impose their point of view on everyone which when people use it just derails the argument as they are using racist talking points and not using facts.

Aren't we lucky to live in a country where we can debate whatever we like within the law?

Isn't it amazing we have the freedom to be negative about the King the Prime Minister - pretty much any one without being "disappeared". It's incredible really and not a freedom enjoyed by every country.

If you want to live in a country where people can't speak freely those countries are available.

I said the exact same thing yesterday op.

ell I’m in ‘total denial’ of anything, I’m just saying there isn’t enough of them to take over the U.K. and impose their point of view on everyone which when people use it just derails the argument as they are using racist talking points and not using facts.

Its not the Iranians who are mourning him. Its the usual suspects. Middle class lefties, students, they/thems, pro-pally, just stop oil, women with penis types.
That's who are doing the "candle lit vigils"

No, people need to start having adult conversations and stop running to mnhq to erase everything they don't like. OP has made it clear what they're asking and it isn't "calling out Islamists".

Why don't you post what you do know about the actual topic of the thread so that those who don't know will learn.

A lot of people are also mourning the 35,000 Iranian citizens massacred by the IRGC in the past 2 months as well for protesting against repression !

There’s been so many Iranians speaking about how they feel it’s surprising pp doesn’t know about the massacred protestors and general brutality by the regime.

@OneGreySealget a grip! I think the majority of people on this thread are engaging in interesting and respectful debate! The extreme-left, Islamic extremism need to be talked about just as much as extreme right-wingers! We live in a country where we are allowed to talk about these subjects. Male extremism in Islam needs to be talked about!

I arrived in "more recent years" as a 21-year old school drop out. You may say I have not been one of those high level immigrants you are advocating for. However, in the last 20 years I worked, I completed two degrees and I am now part of the NHS workforce. So I would say that you can't tar everyone with the same brush when you comment on failure of multiculturalism regardless of when someone arrived to the country.
Not to mention that a lot of people arriving into the UK from war-torn areas are highly educated people whose qualifications are not recognised in this country and who may not have sufficient language skills (yet) to retake exam boards allowing them to practice in England. I am not saying everyone is but, based on experience of my friends who worked in refugee camps, many are. Hostile attitudes towards foreigners make it doubly difficult to integrate, at least, in the initial stages.

Have you ever met anyone from Iran OP? I have worked with a number of Iranian colleagues (in law) - all highly educated and cultured. Persians are absolutely nothing like extremist Arabs.

and yet trans women, who make up maybe 0.5% of the population have, along with their 'allies' pretty much influenced every public institution in the country.

It's not always the absolute numbers that matter.

The Iranians have an Embassy here in the same way, the Chinese, Russian and North Koreans do.
Are you not aware of the huge fuss recently about the decision to built the new Chinese Embassy. I would be far more worried about the Chinese than the Iranians.
The Chinese are a bigger threat to our way of life than the Iranians ever will be.

I agree with you op, you don’t go to live in a westernised country and then slate its people and culture. That’d be like me going to live in the Middle East and saying I hate everything it stands for. Don’t make sense ! Or is it because our country dishes out everything on a plate ?! Call me racist, I don’t care, anyone with a brain knows this is why our country is desirable.

There are indeed a number of services mourning the Ayatollah taking place around the UK. I too can’t for the life of me understand why or how someone who thinks the way the IRGC rules is admirable could tolerate living in the UK.

But then I can’t understand how anyone in the UK can vote for a Political Party who has Mothin Ali as its Deputy Leader. Surely you’d be happier in a Muslim majority country.

@GlomOfNitnice to know you didn’t read any of my follow up posts, if you did you wouldn’t have written this!