If you’re mourning the loss of Ayatollah Ali Khameni in the U.K., why do you want to live in the U.K.?

[dancingredshoes]

This is just a genuine question, and maybe a little ignorant on my part. But if you essentially worship someone who hates the West and everything the West stands for so much, why do you choose to live in the U.K.? Surely you must hate living here and would prefer to live in countries which follow similar repressive approaches as the IR, so why wouldn’t you move there?

And why has the U.K. allowed the Iranian’s to have an Embassy in London for so long, if they are so anti the West and are such a big security threat to our freedom.

This isn’t a goading post and has nothing to do with moderate Islam, I just don’t understand if you have such extreme views, why you choose to stay in a country that goes against everything you believe in?

I guess if you know of none, they musn't exist then. Well that's that.

@BlueJuniper94thanks for saying this! Now feel mortified that my post, which was meant to be supportive of the Iranian people and against extremism has been misconstrued!

@hagchicthank you ☺️ you said it much more eloquently than I did! X

Not many people mourning him. But a lot mourning the schoolchildren that Trump murdered

They’re in the Times, the Telegraph, the Mail. I haven’t found them in the Guardian or the BBC, but there maybe some.

DD’s Iranian colleague, now a British citizen, is rejoicing like so many others who escaped to the West! She has family in Iran who she is worried about, but her female relatives’ lives were terribly limited under the regime. Imagine our own daughters and granddaughters not being equal. It took a long time to get where we are, I can’t imagine many women will be sad at his death.

Quite right. We’re not going to be silenced and shamed by the racist label any longer. You have no need to apologise for asking this question OP - there must be freedom of speech and healthy debate or all is lost.

No ! We should talk about these things. If you don’t like our values, don’t consider integrating then don’t stay. Find a culture more aligned to your ways.
Cannot believe the naive stupidity of some woke liberal lefties supporting such medieval thinking / people / practices.
They must be malevolent or brain dead.

I find the notion that you can only live in a country if you agree with it’s (majority) values, a bit odd.

Should all the Westerners in the ME be deported, because they don’t agree with the Values of their Muslim hosts? And before anyone comes back with “yea but they stick to the Muslim rules” don’t kid yourself. My Best mate lived out on a base in Saudi, they all drank, and were shagging each other.. so zero respect given there. Are the people in Dubai respectful of Islamic norms and customs?

@dancingredshoes I am 100% with you on this. The majority of Iranians in west are antiregime and are celebrating the ayatollahs death. But there are people mourning and I'm as astonished as you are to what the fuck they are doing in the West!. Unbelievable that they are allowed to hold vigils!

Excellent post @BeAvidHiker btw!

They are shills, likely with significant funding from the regime (big article this morning how the son of khomeini and his likely successor has been amassing a 100s of millions UK property empire for years — tip of the iceberg).

agree, ordinary Iranians I know who’ve come here for a quiet life were worried for their families and hoping Trump would act to remove the regime. Not for any great love of the US but they were out of choices otherwise

OP, I think your post was perfectly reasonable. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. Unfortunately there's a contingent on here that see racism in everything, which is unhelpful as it shuts down dialogue.
(Ps sorry I don't really know the answer to your questions!)

@ExtraOnions Very happy for the ME to boot out any British citizens so they can return here with their skills (that were likely trained and subsidized here) and pay tax.

They are also massive hypocrites

I too think your post was perfectly clear OP. And it is an interesting question to ask.

@ExtraOnionsi find this point interesting. Mainly because there are huge human rights atrocities happening in countries like Dubai etc, but influencer culture will never talk about. Yes, you quite rightly say a lot of western behaviours are tolerated, but it’s my understanding that this is done in a controlled way under the careful watch of those in charge! For example you can drink in certain hotels etc etc but not on a picnic on the beach etc! Same with PDA, but I might be wrong.

i am not saying people are not allowed different views to traditional western vies, but if you are celebrating someone that murders its own citizens, murders women for being raped and gauges women’s eyes out…. What possibly can you like about living in the U.K.? Our country is constantly criticised but we are open, welcoming, and tolerant! Anyone who is against women having rights is not following British values in my book and I think that’s ok to say.

It is the hypocrisy of any individual that sits comfortably in a safe country where they are afforded freedom of religion, freedom of speech cheering on a regime where neither are allowed.

Agree.

Now this is goady, not been verified at all.

The fact other posters are calling it goady to stifle actual debate is what I find galling.

Life isn't so black and white though, is it? There are plenty of reasons why people live here: job opportunities here that don't exist elsewhere, friends and family being here....

I'm not Muslim, let alone a fundamentalist, but I can easily imagine someone with fundamententalist views living quite happily here; because our laws and culture allow people to follow whichever religious conventions they like. And you could live here while being unhappy with and disapproving of the moral standards of other citizens. After all, we all disapprove of the behaviour of some of our neighbours, don't we? I think people swear too much; people who swear a lot think I'm a pearl-clutcher. It doesn't make us want to leave the country

Oh ok. Thanks for that.

It’s not just lefties who hate Trump, he has a wide spectrum of people who dislike him and his actions intensely.
I love the way his fans fall back on the the TDS line, like it’s some kind of gotcha which gets them out of actually discussing Trump in a reasonable fashion.
Apologies for deflecting the thread but you are clearly a Trump fan, what do you like so much about him, why do you believe he is qualified to be be POTUS

Yes exactly. What else could Iranians do

The deputy leader of the Green Party among many others.

When we get the trope that multiculturalism has failed you ignore all the other races, Chinese, Indian, Nigerian and others who have settled here and have had children who have integrated well. There are a significant number of the Muslim community who have also integrated but you do get pockets of society who don’t want to.

The thing that is creeping into this society that it just as dangerous as extreme islam is Christian fundamentalism that is being imported from the US. Christian fundamentalism means that the man is the head of the household, he votes for the family, the wife should submit to his guidance and there is no bodily autonomy. Both extremes want to control women and that’s something we should all be concerned about.

I’m born here and I am Indian. My family and community have integrated well. I am better educated than a lot of white British people who are born here and know more about the culture than a lot of others thanks to my English degree. So you can quite frankly go stuff your whole multiculturalism doesn’t work theory.

Deputy leader of the “Greens” Mothin Ali,
cue wailing in the streets and vigils planned for the W/end.

Sorry — in my post above I wrote son of Khomeini when I meant Ali Khameini

I would say that 'new wave' multiculturalism. There is a world of difference between those that came over as part of the Windrush Generation compared to those who have arrived in more recent years.