If you’re mourning the loss of Ayatollah Ali Khameni in the U.K., why do you want to live in the U.K.?

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This is just a genuine question, and maybe a little ignorant on my part. But if you essentially worship someone who hates the West and everything the West stands for so much, why do you choose to live in the U.K.? Surely you must hate living here and would prefer to live in countries which follow similar repressive approaches as the IR, so why wouldn’t you move there?

And why has the U.K. allowed the Iranian’s to have an Embassy in London for so long, if they are so anti the West and are such a big security threat to our freedom.

This isn’t a goading post and has nothing to do with moderate Islam, I just don’t understand if you have such extreme views, why you choose to stay in a country that goes against everything you believe in?

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I don’t think they’re particularly useful for the IR at the present time. They’ve been demoted to merely idiots now.

Actually, before the most recent mass doubling down, there was at least some Leftist acknowledgement of Khomenei’s purges. This is an interesting interview, from a socialist source, with a Marxist activist during that time:

https://jacobin.com/2022/10/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini-protests-feminism

“Khomeini didn’t use the word “anti-imperialism.” He talked about “Big Satan” and “Small Satan.” The Big Satan was the United States. The Small Satan was Europe. The leftists who went toward him translated that as anti-imperialism in their minds. In their minds.
Chafiq emphasizes this last point, raising her eyebrows and speaking in English to ensure that I get it.
My group was independent. We were not supporting Khomeini or his line or his discourse, but we were not clear on it, either.

One thing that the whole Iranian left agreed upon was this anti-Western, anti-imperialist line. It was the most important thing.”

@InterIgnis Well I would probably rule out anything positive happening in Iran now. Looking at America and the UK's track record.
How many countries fought in Afghanistan? Fifty NATO countries I believe it was. Twenty years later and the Taliban are in full control and those same NATO countries FLED. Trump even insulted the British soldiers who participated, no?
14 years in Syria and their buddies Al Qaeda are running the show. In Libya, the slave trave is now rife thanks to US 'liberation'. Nine years in Iraq and ISIS are now a threat.

Better you be grateful you have a safe haven now and thank your lucky stars you are not in the midst of it.

@FindingmypurposeinlifeI can see you feel strongly which is fine but what should the people in Iran do?

If no one can help them get out from under a brutal regime should they just take that for however many more decades? Or something else?

50 of the 32 NATO members?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

Still, wiki isn't an authoritative source.

What is your criteria for success then?

Dammit, I've looked in other stuff & Mumsnet stuff and I can't find it...is it in classics?

@InterIgnis Pot calling the kettle black. Calling me the strawman? Earlier you said I was being subjective and then admitted it was the facts. And telling someone to get an early night? Lol You know, you can just ignore my comments. Sleep tight in your safe haven. 😀

All I can say is I’m not mourning the person, but it is super terrifying that Trump can assassinate (Iran) or kidnap (Venezuela)any leader of any UN nation on a whim.

He has threatened both the UK and Spain because they would not allow him to use their military bases for these attacks which are illegal under international law and treaty.

And it’s not just evil bad guys getting killed, there was an Iranian girls school obliterated in the first wave of strikes by the US and Israel. They attacked Iran first. There are hundreds, maybe thousands more Iranian civilians killed as well.

The justification of Iran’s danger to human rights is flimsy when the US has made peace with the Taliban and left them to enslave the female half of the population.

If Putin had done this we would be horrified. Most people against this new war the US started with Iran aren’t admirers of it.

You embassy comment is very strange. We have embassies of even enemies during wars so that communications can happen towards ending wars.

To be fair, the father of the current First Minister of Scotland ( amongst others) has posted a eulogy bemoaning the death. It’s fair enough i think to wonder why persons who have the right to live under a regime whose values they support and espouse should choose not to do so and instead live in a secular country like the U.K.

And the double standards when it comes to so called racism or Islamophobia compared to misogyny continue.

DJT could completely change his view tomorrow, next week or in 10mins.

He is not stable and everything he says should be treated as such.

I'm glad we are not getting involved atm, this could end up as a total disaster, Iran is not one group of peoples at all & the US has no plan for what happens when they stop bombing, it seems as if they are dancing to the Israeli tune.

@IrishSelkie oh yes, Iranians killing civilians - evil bastards who should burn in hell.
US kills civilians - regrettable/collateral damage/this happens in war.

@InterIgnis oh crikey, you are still reading. 😂

Well I repeat. Your faith in America and the UK may not serve you well. I remind you (once again) of their track record. 14 years in Syria and Al Qaeda are in power. Twenty years in Afghanistan and 50 NATO countries fighting and the Taliban are stronger then ever. Nine years in Iraq and ISIS and ISIL are a significant threat. And a revival of the slave trade in Libya after the 'Liberation'. Also millions starving in Yemen after being bombed by British made bombs.

Before the Syria conflict, less than one percent of Syrians were claiming asylum (pre-dating 2011) which says a lot. Now millions of Syrians fled to the UK and the British swear about immigration. Let's wait until the next wave of Iranians fleeing for their lives. If you want to stoke up a war, then you need to be prepared for the consequences. Every single one of them

So, you sleep well in your safe haven (once again 😊)

We must not forget the shameful actions of the Communist Party who hitched their wagon to the Ayatollahs in 1979 during the revolution. What happened to them afterwards should be instructive. They were executed or fled Iran. It seems the left infatuation with Islamic ideology doesn't change. The main reason for this is the perception of Arab or Muslim Nationalism conflated with International Socialism and Anti Capitalism. That's how dumb the left are. Useful idiots was a term coined by Lenin.

Why are you repeatedly saying that Al Qaeda is in power in Syria?

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham is in power and they broke ties with Al Qaeda in 2016.

@Findingmypurposeinlife , I’m not sure what your point is? The British, French, Spanish and others have been colonisers in the past of course, what relevance does that have to my answer to the OP?

This is wrong - I meant to say the father of the current leader of the Labour Party in Scotland, not JohnSwinney’s father!

Just like Shamina Begum isn’t ISIS anymore because she’s wearing T-shirts and sunglasses.

No idea about her. I’m correcting the PP on the accuracy of their statement. I’m also not commenting on HTS per se, just that they are not al Qaeda nor currently aligned with them.

Most of HTS split off from Al Qaeda after decades of being Al Qaeda or ISIL. This splinter group recently split, distanced itself and rebranded to escape justice. They don’t fool me for a second. They’re a group of extreme Islamic revolutionaries made up of former Al Qaeda and ISIL members. They’ve just ditched the traditional Middle Eastern dress of an Al Qaeda or ISIL or Taliban fighter and adopted more western dress plus fashion accessories like sunglasses to appear more modern and liberal.