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School refusing 3 days off for DS AIBU

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BaronPencil · 03/03/2026 18:07

I suspect I am going to get flamed for this but I genuinely do not know what the right call is.

DS is 14, 15 in the summer, and he hates school. Not in a mild way, he actively resents it. Says it is pointless, says most of the boys mess about anyway but he gets picked up more because he answers back. There is probably some truth in that but he absolutely does not help himself.

He is basically on his last warning behaviour wise. We have had meetings with head of year and deputy head. They have used phrases like final chance, serious concerns about attitude, risk of not being invited back next year if there is no improvement. So yes, thin ice is putting it mildly.

Behaviour issues include:

Constant low level disruption
Talking when teacher is talking
Refusing to move seats when asked
Eye rolling and muttering under his breath
Not handing homework in repeatedly
Detentions for not turning up to detentions
Once told a teacher “this is why no one takes this subject seriously”

There was also an incident last year where he made some stupid misogynistic comments in class about girls being “too emotional” for leadership which got him into a huge amount of trouble. He swears he was joking but it was not funny and I was absolutely furious with him. School took it very seriously. Since then they have him firmly labelled as a problem child I think.

He is not SEN. There is no diagnosis, no learning issue. He just does not like being told what to do and he is not a straight A academic star which I sometimes think is what this particular school really values above everything else. He is capable of good grades but only when he feels like it which is not often.

The only area where he has ever been consistently positive is drama.

He got into acting at 12 through the school drama club. Completely by accident really, a friend dragged him along. He got a part in the school production and something just switched. Teachers were emailing saying how focused he was in rehearsals, how supportive of other cast members. It was like reading about someone else.

We then enrolled him in a local theatre group and he loves it. Properly loves it. He will practise accents in his bedroom, watch performances online, ask for feedback. It is the only thing he puts real effort into without being nagged.

Now he has been cast in a proper local theatre production. Rehearsals are evenings and weekends so that has not interfered with school at all.

But the performances include three weekday matinees in the last week before Easter holidays. So he would miss three full days right before they break up.

His attendance is currently 95 percent. But he is absolutely on his last warning behaviour wise.

I emailed school explaining the opportunity and asking if the absence could be authorised given it is a legitimate production and not just a random day off. I did mention that drama is the only area where he truly excels and that this could be positive for him.

Reply was very clear. No authorised absence for external activities. Policy is policy. If we keep him off it will be recorded as unauthorised absence and may be considered alongside his existing behaviour record.

I did ask whether there was any discretion given it is the last week before holidays and most of the academic content is winding down (yes I know that sounds dismissive). They said learning continues until the final day and expectations apply to all pupils equally.

DS’s view is blunt. He says acting is the only thing he is actually good at and the only reason he bothers trying at anything. He says if we make him miss it we are proving that school matters more to us than he does. He also says school already think he is a lost cause so what difference will three days make.

Part of me thinks he has not exactly earned special favours given his attitude. If anything he should be bending over backwards to show compliance right now not asking for time off. I can already hear people saying natural consequences and maybe that is fair.

But another part of me thinks if the one thing that genuinely motivates him is acting then why would we squash that, especially when school itself introduced him to it in the first place.

We pay a lot for this school because we wanted structure and high standards. I just did not anticipate feeling like the only area my son shines would be treated as irrelevant.

So AIBU to think they could show flexibility even though he is on his last warning and hardly model pupil of the year? Or is this exactly the kind of situation where the answer has to be no because of his behaviour record.

OP posts:
UncannyFanny · 03/03/2026 20:39

What is he actually going to gain long term from 3 days acting at this point in life? Probably very little in fairness. He also will learn very little about consequences by not going to school.

yetiflowerpumpkin · 03/03/2026 20:40

What does your DH say @BaronPencil? It sounds like it’s your DH that wants him at this school. Will he support DS having unauthorised absences to do the play? If not, haven’t you then got your answer? Does DH talk to DS about his behaviour at school and if it continues what it will mean?
(Have you considered your DS behaves this way so he can be expelled?)

NewGoldFox · 03/03/2026 20:40

Is there not a performing arts school you ca transfer him into?

MrsVBS · 03/03/2026 20:40

He sounds like a complete pain in the neck, why would school dish out any special favours, they would probably be more inclined to if he was well behaved etc. My son went to private school and this behaviour wouldn’t have been tolerated and kids who excelled at other things ie played sport for the county or show jumping were allowed time off for this but it was a privilege not a right.

ednaclouda · 03/03/2026 20:41

@BaronPencil darling just because ‘ he just doesnt like being told what to do “ im sorry it doesnt cut it for me. tell him to shut up and listen to no eye rolling no dissing the TEACHER. if he wants to get on in life thats the rules mate sorry. unless you’re a multi millionaire who is going to fund his disruptive lifestyle. are you ? …….

Friendlygingercat · 03/03/2026 20:44

By asking the school up front you burned your bridges. It would have been much more stragic for him to have an "upset stomach" for a few days. Its like wanting a few days off work and being refused. You cant then pull a sickie.

SevenYellowHammers · 03/03/2026 20:45

BaronPencil · 03/03/2026 20:20

The only class he gets good reports from in school is from his drama teacher, she always says about how focused and hardworking he is and he's a joy to teach (which isn't what other teachers say!)

I worry about if we put him in an online school he wouldn't leave the house other than to go to his club as he barely leaves the house now apart from school and drama, he wouldn't really socialise but maybe it is something worth looking into

As I said I worry its too late to send him to a state school due him being halfway through Y10, and DH is very against this.

Could people please RTFT before commenting as I have already answered why he wasn't moved before, yes it was a mistake but I don't want to jeep repeating myself

I understand some online schools factor in face to face meet ups . I’ve looked into a few because I’d quite like to teach at an online school myself. I also have a friend whose child attended one after struggling with their mental health at school. They did well in GCSEs and now attend a FE college and doing fantastically. You sound like a thoughtful and balanced parent, I don’t think you could have done differently. I’ve 25 years experience as head of year etc and sometimes there’s no rhyme or reason to why some kids don’t behave at school, I’ve even seen twins where one is angelic and the other a pain. Same genes, same upbringing! I’d investigate a good online school and as soon as year 11 done get him into a performing arts college course. He’ll learn self control and to be thoughtful about what he says. Good luck!

Translatethedog · 03/03/2026 20:46

Alrhough his behaviour sounds appalling I would keep him off. If it’s the only thing that motivates and interests him then I think it’s important to embrace it.

plsdontlookatme · 03/03/2026 20:47

Honestly if he's getting on that badly with the school I would just go ahead with this opportunity and see what happens. If they ask him not to return then either try him in a state school or let him self-study at home and use the money you currently pay in fees to get private subject tutors. If he's not very academic and only enjoys drama then he really doesn't need to be aiming for a sweep of 8/9 grades in 10 subjects

splendidpickle · 03/03/2026 20:49

UncannyFanny · 03/03/2026 20:39

What is he actually going to gain long term from 3 days acting at this point in life? Probably very little in fairness. He also will learn very little about consequences by not going to school.

i would suggest not listening to this kind of advice!
He has found something he loves. 3 days of acting right now, of being involved in a full production, could be completely life changing for him. And it will show him that you believe in him. His connection with you is actually really important at this stage of his life, especially as it does seem like there’s a bit of a risk of him going off the rails.
He’s being forced to do something he hates every single day. Yes, I know some people have crap jobs that they can’t leave, but why would anyone else subject themselves to that willingly? Let him have three days off and follow his passion. And more importantly, stop letting your DH keep trying to force a round peg into a square hole.

ForeverTheOptomist · 03/03/2026 20:49

ednaclouda · 03/03/2026 20:41

@BaronPencil darling just because ‘ he just doesnt like being told what to do “ im sorry it doesnt cut it for me. tell him to shut up and listen to no eye rolling no dissing the TEACHER. if he wants to get on in life thats the rules mate sorry. unless you’re a multi millionaire who is going to fund his disruptive lifestyle. are you ? …….

I think that the discussion regards education.

Charmatt · 03/03/2026 20:51

The company putting on the performance needs to apply for a child performing licence. This is an example of the application required from Nottinghamshire County Council: https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/culture-leisure/arts/children-in-entertainment

For a child taking time off school to act in a regulated performance (e.g., film, theatre) with a licence, the correct attendance code to use is Code C1 (Leave of absence for a regulated performance or employment).

Under the The School Attendance (Pupil Registration) (England) Regulations 2024, children taking part in performances should be granted authorised leave, as defined in Section 11 of the legislation.

Children in entertainment

apply for a licence or exemption for children performing in entertainment

https://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/culture-leisure/arts/children-in-entertainment

plsdontlookatme · 03/03/2026 20:52

It sounds like he's at an "Oxbridge or medicine" private school. FWIW, I - teacher's pet, very academic - went to one of those and found it too much to deal with. Even a slightly crap state school can be a better fit for some people - shorter days, less pressure.

LIZS · 03/03/2026 20:53

ednaclouda · 03/03/2026 20:41

@BaronPencil darling just because ‘ he just doesnt like being told what to do “ im sorry it doesnt cut it for me. tell him to shut up and listen to no eye rolling no dissing the TEACHER. if he wants to get on in life thats the rules mate sorry. unless you’re a multi millionaire who is going to fund his disruptive lifestyle. are you ? …….

He won’t get far in the acting world if he behaves like this with directors! He needs to learn to suck it up and get on with whatever he is being asked to do. Does the team behind the production have any contacts at the school? It would be no good going off sick now, they will be contacted by the LA Child Employment team(if not already) and presumably the production is public and advertised.

Cherryicecreamx · 03/03/2026 20:54

I actually think he should go. It does sound like a great opportunity and I would want to be supportive of the one thing he enjoys doing!
I reckon in the long run, this would be a better experience, with the possibility of further opportunities, than those 3 days.
I know we have to parent but I would also be thinking about maintaining a positive relationship with my son. If he thinks his family are holding him back, that could cause great resentment.

Calliopespa · 03/03/2026 20:54

BaronPencil · 03/03/2026 19:36

Yes we probably should've moved him sooner butDH is against this. He isn't as academic as his brothers I will say that but he is capable of getting good grades if he tries which is rare because he doesn't care. He did hvw friends and was quite popular but they've drifted now but that hasn't made him be any better in school

Before he got into acting, he had nothing positive to focus on that he enjoyed. DH signed him up for rugby (after me saying he wouldn't enjoy it as he'd shown 0 interest) he hated it and would refuse to go and had many arguments with DH about it and in the end he got himself kicked out and his response was “well I told you I didn't want to do it”

He's like a different person at his club, he's respectful and properly listens and doesn't mess about and we don't have to nag him to get ready if anything he's nagging us

As I said about school, I worry if we moved him now he wouldn't get the same options. The plan was to just get him through until the end of Y11 and then he could go to a state college/sixth form rather than stay on at this school. I know he's not likely to go to uni and that's fine

And yes, it isn't a small production part of this club, it's a proper one at the theatre, he was picked out to audition and he got the part and his first, which is why I don’t want to say no (even though his behaviour is awful) as it could lead to other things and I worry he will resent me long into adulthood

Edited

Sorry OP I have read what I could of the thread but have something to get something else done this eve so apologies if this was covered, but it sounds to me as though he is a totally different kid round his drama.

He probably feels valued and incentivised. It sounds as though school is not going anywhere fast for him, and it would be a shame for him not to be in this production. Is there any possibility of you brokering a home-schooling deal with him if he gets more time for his drama around his studies? I mean it doesn't sound as though he is doing brilliantly at school anyway. ETA if you are paying a lot of fees, you would have a lot to put towards decent tutors and he would get social interaction via the drama.

plsdontlookatme · 03/03/2026 20:56

I agree that he's probably trying to get expelled, even if not consciously.

abracabarbara · 03/03/2026 21:01

The school sounds like a terrible fit for your son who is clearly thriving in the acting /theatre environment.

My DH was the same. No interest and behavioural issues at school, left as soon as he could with no qualifications. He later bumped into his English teacher from who was now also working in the theatre industry and she said if only she'd known he was interested then, she'd have encouraged him.

Embrace your son's interest and enthusiasm. not everyone finds something they really love and are passionate about.

And to a pp who mentioned he wont get far in acting because directors and instructions - directors are quite used to difficult actors. It goes with the territory. ( although I note your son is not difficult in the theatre environment anyway)

Twilightstarbright · 03/03/2026 21:01

DC are at private school and we don’t have authorised absence or not as no OFSTED targets.

I would be inclined to let him do the play and start investigating moving schools. He sounds deeply unhappy. Surely 5 decent GCSEs in a state school would be better than what he’s currently on track to get?

superchick · 03/03/2026 21:04

I would see this as 2 separate issues:

  1. Let him do the production, support him with dealing with any fall out from school about missed days and encourage his interest and talent.
  2. Deal with his awful behaviour and attitude completely separately. He is disruptive, disrespectful and arrogant and you absolutely need him to stop answering back, stop preventing other students from learning and start to work towards scraping a couple of passes in his GCSEs. He will have mocks after Easter I expect and will perhaps get a wake up call after that?

Don't let his talent in drama distract you from how problematic his behaviour is in all other classes and don't try and excuse it by saying he's been "labelled" or the school have taken a dislike to him.

Equally don't let his terrible attitude everywhere else prevent you from supporting him to excel in something that he is capable snd focused on.

The two issues can co-exist and be dealt with separately.

TheTwenties · 03/03/2026 21:05

I think you have a DH problem, he’s trying to fit a round peg in a square hole. Being in a school which doesn’t work for DS because DH and other DC’s went there is not a reason to keep him there. I would start investigating options to restart Y10 next year in either a state or fee paying school and focusing on the one thing DS cares about when considering schools. It’s 2026, even the Royals have moved away from the traditional schools of previous generations because they don’t think it’s right for their DC.

I would let him do the production and deal with the fall out if it happens- you are not going to be able to limp through Y11 and have him come out with results worth anything from the sounds of things.

Endorewitch · 03/03/2026 21:06

Very strange situation. It is a pruvate school,wbich he hates. He is not doing well. So why on earth are you wasting money keeping him there?by the sound of it ,they may well ask him to leave anyhow as he has behavioral problems.
Also very odd that an external theatre group has percormances in school hkurs.
Surelyan afternoon performance doesnt begin till2pm. So he will miss an hkur and a quarter of school. Not a complete day.
Just let him perform. Be glaf he has something he enjoys.

AWedgeOfLemonAndASmartAnswerForEverything · 03/03/2026 21:07

Isn't this the plot of Dead Poet's Society?

If it is in fact real, then @BaronPencil the problem is obviously your pillock of a DH and his family's pathetic ideas about schooling (rugby? I mean come on).

Send your poor kid to another school FFS.

SheilaFentiman · 03/03/2026 21:12

Endorewitch · 03/03/2026 21:06

Very strange situation. It is a pruvate school,wbich he hates. He is not doing well. So why on earth are you wasting money keeping him there?by the sound of it ,they may well ask him to leave anyhow as he has behavioral problems.
Also very odd that an external theatre group has percormances in school hkurs.
Surelyan afternoon performance doesnt begin till2pm. So he will miss an hkur and a quarter of school. Not a complete day.
Just let him perform. Be glaf he has something he enjoys.

OP has explained this - the theatre company is nearby but in a different county/LA which has different holidays (this happens a lot at Easter)

Shuffletoesxtreme · 03/03/2026 21:14

What will happen if he has the three days off? Will they kick him out?