The impossible has happened - Trump has made me a Keir Starmer supporter!

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

'This is not the age of churchill'

Thank God. Fucking orange twat.

So we have:
a complete lack of anti missile defence at Akrotiri in direct opposition to the RN recommendation
we have a "you can't use UK bases, oh you can use UK bases" u turn
the Government organised evacuation flights were a disorganised mess.
It's the first time since 1799 that there's been no RN presence in the Med, at a time when it's needed most.
HMS Dragon will take 2 weeks until it can be deployed, because against the Prospect (the union) advice and strikes by the dockyard workers the Government changed the £1 billion maintenance contract from 24/7 to 9-5 Mon-Fri.
And now we are supposedly considering sending an over budget aircraft carrier with a history of mechanical breakdowns and with limited aircraft capability to the area to do what exactly?

So whilst a number of these points stem from defence budgets cuts under both the Tories and Labour, this is still a major cringe worthy embarrassment for the UK and Starmer. And those that can't see this, presumably don't care either.

Gawd, the same people who thought Zelensky deserved to be attacked for not wearing a suit, think Trump is a reliable & trustworthy ally

Here is Trump at the transfer of the six soldiers killed in Kuwait. Such respect for the fallen, eh?

Hopefully, most people are focusing on the disaster that is this fresh Israel/US war rather than cringing over Starmer and the run down state of the UK's armed forces, which has been talked about extensively. Tehran is burning, no doubt there are already many thousands of casualties, loss of homes, loss of critical infrastructure (latest is that the US has hit a desalination plant), etc. Why are some so focused on Starmer rather than the devastation?

Sovereignity is a funny thing..........

Except it's not evidence is it?

Its an allegation from an undisclosed woman of sexual assault by Trump in the 1980s, with no evidence to support it plus some of her statements appear to contradict what is known about Epstein’s life in the early 1980s.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/06/justice-department-epstein-files-trump-allegations

So no this most definitely isn't "the most concerning evidence from the Epstein files" but hey keep pushing those conspiracy theories in the hope that some of the misinformation sticks.

Went over my head 🙄

The point is Starmer should have supported our allies not dithered. Military experts on news programmes say the same it's not just here on mn.

'So we have: a complete lack of anti missile defence at Akrotiri in direct opposition to the RN recommendation we have a "you can't use UK bases, oh you can use UK bases" u turn the Government organised evacuation flights were a disorganised mess. It's the first time since 1799 that there's been no RN presence in the Med, at a time when it's needed most'

This!

Nope, you can try and pin this on Starmer but you know as well as anyone that frigates takes years to build and more importantly, crew.

We had 13 frigates in 2010, 9 in 2024.

...... a 36% Decrease.

The Tory defence review of 2010, slashed UK capability, an 8% cut in defence spending.

The frigate mtce contract was awarded under the last Govt in 2021, when was it cut to 9 to 5?

But we are just some ‘random country’ with an army that hangs about at the back.

Err why should we be supporting Trump?

He hasn't helped us in Ukraine, he backs Russia, blaming the Ukrainians.

Threatened to invade Greenland, insulted UK troops who fought and died in the USA's war in Afghanistan, has hit us with trade tariffs, he can fuck off.

Yes, it went over your head.

All the military experts think that the UK should have rushed in to join 'our allies' (you have a strange idea of what an ally is)? This one pretty clear does not think that:
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/2029743059861397764

We should support allies in their mission to get rid of the terrorist sponsoring Iranian regime. I'm not suggesting you be Trump's BFF.

Trump has pretty conclusively demonstrated he’s not our ally.

I'm pretty sure the pp's point is that the US is not a UK ally!
Currently, no one is getting rid of the Iranian regime.

Presumably you think they should also start a war in Saudi and Pakistan?

Who do you consider our allies?

European countries are taking the same stance as Starmer.

Trump is not a reliable ally.
We’ve seen time and again his pandering to Putin. Now Russia will benefit economically from Trump slackening sanctions. Russia gets a financial boost from oil and from selling arms to Iran.
Which put Ukraine at greater risk.
Which puts peace in Europe at greater risk.
Add to that it won’t be the US welcoming Iranian refugees - in fact European nations will be criticised by Trump when there is an increase in people fleeing the region.
We pay the consequences every which way.

Yes it’s notable that Meloni and Macron have responded similarly and Meloni in particular has been lauded by Trump.

Let's be honest here - the UK or European countries can't get involved in this conflict whether they wanted to or not simply because after decades of defence cuts they don't have the ability to contribute anything of military value anyway - so what's the point?

Then you agree that the UK and the other European countries are taking the right decision in their national interests.

Hopefully most of them have the sense to chose not to. No idea why any leader of sense would choose to join in Trump/Netanyahu and Hegseth's death and destruction.

The fact that European contries have allowed their armed forces to become so poor is a separate issue. If the population decide that they want to spend a lot more, they also need to decide what will be cut. It would be extremely expensive and difficult to try to resurrect some sort of armed forces at this point.

The USA , under Trump, is not an "ally" in any shape or form.

Allies don't treat the UK like this.

Just a few weeks ago, the UK and other European allies were confronted with Trump saying he would take a part of Denmark by military force.

Have you forgoten? though tbf, Trump probably has, he isn't all there.

....but if we had joined in bombing raids etc, once over, Trump would have belittled our efforts.

The point isn’t ’successive governments defence cuts have weakened military’ - I don’t think anyone is arguing that.

The point is that we need to calculate for ourselves what we are prepared to do. This is a war of choice with a changing set of objectives headed by a US leadership that has repeatedly denigrated the work of our Armed Forces.

The war is strengthening Russia’s position, risking global economic consequences and a humanitarian crisis which will directly impact Europe.

In addition Trump has again (this week) said he needs Greenland so he’s prepared to threaten NATO at will. We know Rubio wants to get in to Cuba.

This is a US administration that is drunk on foreign wars and who will leave us to carry the can.

Any point is lost in his ramble with his sickening traumatic brain injury 'joke'. Wtf is wrong with people.

I mean I think KS is wet and pathetic but I'd never used disabilities and illness to take the piss out of him.

Yes the economic effects... the USA is a net exporter of oil/gas, few in Europe are, Trump doesn't care about the inflation and job losses his pointless war will bring.
Only have to look at the 10% price hikes in diesel/Petrol in the last few days to see this is going to hammer the UK.

Perhaps @Gloriia and @1dayatatime wont be affected.