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BIL suggested I never pay enough.

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Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:23

I recently got divorced and am really struggling what to make of life going forward, there just doesn't seem to be much point any more.

Of late, I've been trying to make sense of some of the things that we argued about so I'll give you one of the lighter discussions that was never fully put to bed... What would you have done?

To give you some context, I had to leave my family home where I grew up abruptly, my younger brother who has issues with drugs, came at me and not for the first time with a carving knife and my parents just watched. I had to move out for my own safety and I did so without a penny to my name and quickly got into debt as you can imagine.

I'm not looking for sympathy at all, this is just to give you some context for the next part of the story. This start in life has always made me feel that I needed to make sure that I had enough money, that I paid my way and it would often mean that if we were going out that I'd be the first to buy everyone a drink, even if I didn't have the money right away (credit card). I didn't want anyone to think I was a sponger.

Now for the next part of the story....

Quite a few years later, I got married to the woman of my dreams. Beautiful, funny, sharing lots of the same interests but above all she was kind, like I had never seen before.

Her sister and BIL had a small house in France that they visited every year and we were often invited to go and stay 'for a cheap week, just pay for the flight'. Of course it wasn't just paying for the flight, you're family and you want to chip in where possible, why should we cost them to look after us? So we would pay money into SIL's account before the holiday for groceries, we'd paid for thanks of petrol, additional grocery bills, the odd meal out as a thank you and drinks etc. Because it always feels like they're doing you a favour, you can never really feel grateful enough. It wasn't ever a cheap holiday and we couldv'e one cheaper elsewhere but it wasn't about that, it was quality time spent away with the family.

Anyway... one evening we were out at a restaurant, myself, my wife and my BIL and SIL. The evening went fine and we were all having a good time as far as I could see. We finished our meal and both myself and my BIL went up to the bar area to pay the bill. We'd generally split it between the couples. I always like to leave at least the recommended tip but I know everyone is different. I asked the waitress if we could add the tip onto the card payment but unfortunately they don't allow it for some reason as is the way in a lot of European countries, so we had to pay cash.

I rarely carry cash (I should've remembered to take some) and so I asked if my BIL could pay the tip and I'm sort him out later as I always would. He said fine and paid the tip in cash (€10) and I said thank you. He then said and I quote " Any time you want to pay the full price, rather than the special price you often get, let me know".

I didn't know what to say so I just smiled a bit and said "ok thanks".

When we got back to our room that night, I told my wife about it. She looked quite upset and said "that doesn't sound like something he'd say but I'll handle it" and we obviously discussed a bit about recent and past bills and reassured ourselves that we always pay our way and that nothing was owed.

Two years passed. Over that time it had been needling away in the back of my mind and a few times I mentioned it to my wife to ask if she'd approached the subject with her BIL and SIL yet. It mattered to me because he seemed that he thought he was having to sub me all the time and I hated that because of my childhood and the fact that I absolutely always pay my way. During those two years, I was absolutely sure that we always paid our wy or more but it was a mental drain always thiking that they thought we were spongers no matter what. After the two years, it came to a head as we'd been invited to go to France again and all of the memories came flooding back. I asked my wife outright to tackle it as I waited patiently for two years. Reluctantly she agreed.

I don't know what she said to him but he first said to her "oh yes I remember that conversation and I'd negotiated a discount on the bill (he spoke French). That absolutely didn't happen, only me and and my BIL were present and we spoke in English and there was no discount. So I contacted him via text and said that didn't happen. He then replied "I don't what I did yesterday mate let alone two years ago, you should've come to me earlier" Coming to him earlier was a fair point and I'd wanted to but I was respecting my wife's wishes that she wanted to handle it. The point however was that now his story had changed.

Then my SIL waded in, "I'm sorry but that's not what was said" (she's telling me that my story isn't true). Neither my wife nor my SIL was present to witness the conversation, only myself and my BIL.

Then things got a lot worse. My wife started to gaslight me, she started to say that the story I was now telling was different to the one I told her two years ago. She started to repeat the story that my BIL was now telling that he'd allegedly negotiated a discount in French and she started to say "I sometimes forget what actually happened and get carried away". I remember what happened like it was yesterday and I thought about it constantly, my wife presumably never thought about it because it didn't bother her so my memories are not cloudy.

After my SIL said "I'm sorry but that's not what was said", she never spoke to me again. I'd known her for over 15 years. To date, my wife has never waivered on the fact that BIL was innocent of what he said and that I must have lied, despite never having lied to her in the past.

I gave possible explanations for him, he may have been a bit drunk, SIL may not have made him aware or may have forgotten that we used to pay in for groceries etc as she handling the finances and he was known for having his head in the clouds sometimes.

When I eventually realised that full grown, seemingly sane adults weren't going to ever give in to their pride. I said "Ok, we both have different recollections of what happened that day but this is not something worth wrecking relationships over so let's just shake hands and call it a day" They never spoke to me again.

I've always been of the opinion that you should treat people how you'd like to be treated and if a friend or family member has caused upset you should talk about ir or if you're in the wrong, listen, understand and apologise.

What are you thoughts, what would you have done? AIBU?

Sorry that turned into a long one, phew!

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FuzzyPuffling · 28/02/2026 16:32

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Octavia64 · 28/02/2026 16:36

I wouldn’t remember a restaurant bill from two years ago.

they have probably remembered a different time.

bringing it up two years after the fact is a bit ridiculous I’m afraid. If a member of my family was off with me about something I may or may not have said two years ago I’d be very wtf?

personally I’d just apologise to keep the peace but I suspect by bringing up something of bluntly no consequence whatsoever two years later you’ve pissed everyone off.

BlackCatsForever · 28/02/2026 16:37

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How nasty. If it was too long to read it just scroll on?

Pollqueen · 28/02/2026 16:39

Well I've been out for lunch and had a couple of glasses of 🍷 but if I understand correctly, you've held onto an innocuous remark from 2+ years ago. If so, you need to let it go

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 28/02/2026 16:40

I think you made a mountain out of a molehill.

Appreciate you’ve had a difficult upbringing. Perhaps therapy would help before you damage any more relationships.

WhistPie · 28/02/2026 16:43

I'd divorce your wife (as you did) & never have anything to do with her family again.

Getofftheunicorn · 28/02/2026 16:43

So you’re recently divorced from the ‘woman of your dreams’ and you’re struggling to move on and the story you told is an example of one of your arguments that contributed to the beak up - is that it?
So I presume it was your ex wife who instigated the divorce?

VictoriaEra · 28/02/2026 16:43

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Rude. Maybe learn to focus

onelumporthree · 28/02/2026 16:43

You've got it off your chest now. He was a dick, and he wasn't ever going to admit to that, was he? Just forget it now and put it behind you.

TheAutumnCrow · 28/02/2026 16:46

If I’ve got this right, OP’s (ex) SiL and BiL refuse to speak to him/her, OP’s now divorced, and still hasn’t got a clue what the hell happened and how significant it was in a whole sea of troubles.

WeepingAngelInTheTardis · 28/02/2026 16:48

Kindly, it was a remark two years ago. Let it go.

I understand my in laws put me through hell & back, I no longer speak to any of them and I still get angry at their comments sometimes but it’s best to let it go than fester & be bitter. Just be happy they aren’t in your life anymore. Smile

Owly11 · 28/02/2026 16:48

Jesus the moral of the tale is to speak up at the time and save yourself two years of anxiety and three broken relationships.

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 16:50

Wow, I can’t beleive you held onto that grudge for so long and made your wife address it, your child hood is no excuse. If you had an issue you should have said at the time.

quite frankly this is petty in the extreme.

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 16:51

Oh hang on, you’re divorced and still going on about it?

BlackCatsForever · 28/02/2026 16:51

I get it,OP - it may seem like a little thing but it’s more than just a restaurant bill - it’s the injustice, isn’t it; being accused of something you didn’t do. You just want somebody to acknowledge it, otherwise you start to feel like you’re going mad. Plus when you’re in a bad place mentally eg due to a breakup it’s all too to ruminate on seemingly minor things.

Unfortunately they are not going to acknowledge it so you will need to find a way to make peace with it somehow. Maybe counselling would help you come to terms with your divorce?

Also just a heads up, it would probably have been better to post this in Relationships as AIBU often seems to attract the kind of posters who will make you feel worse about yourself.

Crunchymum · 28/02/2026 16:51

You aren't even with your wife any more so presumably you'll never have to deal with these people again?

@Peoplearesoweird I think you need to try and work out why this is still such a big issue for you? Your marriage has since failed why are you so fixated on this situation?

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

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Ponoka7 · 28/02/2026 16:52

It was for you to ask what BIL meant at the time, not be on your wife's case, two years later. You needed to let it go. If that was one of your lighter attacks, you've been emotionally abusive.

Starlight7080 · 28/02/2026 16:52

I wouldn't focus on the past arguments. Its never going to end well for your mental health. You will remember them one way and her another. Its the same for us all.
It doesnt matter that your ex bil was a bit of a dick about the bill. Its not going to change the outcome of your marriage.
You must have had several problems to end in divorce. Which again can happen to anyone. No point hyper focusing on it all.
Try to think about positive things that have come from it and make plans for yourself moving forward .

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 16:52

And op, no one gaslit you he probably can’t even remember the conversation or meal. But you’re divorced and you’re still in the weeds over this, it’s really bizzare.

Starlight7080 · 28/02/2026 16:53

Just saw update about the 300k...that i would be angry about. Thats crazy

Ponoka7 · 28/02/2026 16:53

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

Did you go to the Police etc? You need I.D checks, not just a signature.

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 16:54

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

I’m struggling to believe some one stole 300k from your and your wife said let it go it’s a bit of hassle.

Triskels · 28/02/2026 16:54

You made a giant mountain out of a teeny tiny molehill. You should have asked him what he meant at the time, and if for some reason you chose not to do that, you should have put it out of your head as unimportant. Honestly, do you hold grudges about lots of tiny, unimportant things? You must shed friends like a tree in autumn.

PreciousEnough · 28/02/2026 16:55

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So many people here can’t handle long paragraphs of prose. This country’s literacy is alarming.