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BIL suggested I never pay enough.

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Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:23

I recently got divorced and am really struggling what to make of life going forward, there just doesn't seem to be much point any more.

Of late, I've been trying to make sense of some of the things that we argued about so I'll give you one of the lighter discussions that was never fully put to bed... What would you have done?

To give you some context, I had to leave my family home where I grew up abruptly, my younger brother who has issues with drugs, came at me and not for the first time with a carving knife and my parents just watched. I had to move out for my own safety and I did so without a penny to my name and quickly got into debt as you can imagine.

I'm not looking for sympathy at all, this is just to give you some context for the next part of the story. This start in life has always made me feel that I needed to make sure that I had enough money, that I paid my way and it would often mean that if we were going out that I'd be the first to buy everyone a drink, even if I didn't have the money right away (credit card). I didn't want anyone to think I was a sponger.

Now for the next part of the story....

Quite a few years later, I got married to the woman of my dreams. Beautiful, funny, sharing lots of the same interests but above all she was kind, like I had never seen before.

Her sister and BIL had a small house in France that they visited every year and we were often invited to go and stay 'for a cheap week, just pay for the flight'. Of course it wasn't just paying for the flight, you're family and you want to chip in where possible, why should we cost them to look after us? So we would pay money into SIL's account before the holiday for groceries, we'd paid for thanks of petrol, additional grocery bills, the odd meal out as a thank you and drinks etc. Because it always feels like they're doing you a favour, you can never really feel grateful enough. It wasn't ever a cheap holiday and we couldv'e one cheaper elsewhere but it wasn't about that, it was quality time spent away with the family.

Anyway... one evening we were out at a restaurant, myself, my wife and my BIL and SIL. The evening went fine and we were all having a good time as far as I could see. We finished our meal and both myself and my BIL went up to the bar area to pay the bill. We'd generally split it between the couples. I always like to leave at least the recommended tip but I know everyone is different. I asked the waitress if we could add the tip onto the card payment but unfortunately they don't allow it for some reason as is the way in a lot of European countries, so we had to pay cash.

I rarely carry cash (I should've remembered to take some) and so I asked if my BIL could pay the tip and I'm sort him out later as I always would. He said fine and paid the tip in cash (€10) and I said thank you. He then said and I quote " Any time you want to pay the full price, rather than the special price you often get, let me know".

I didn't know what to say so I just smiled a bit and said "ok thanks".

When we got back to our room that night, I told my wife about it. She looked quite upset and said "that doesn't sound like something he'd say but I'll handle it" and we obviously discussed a bit about recent and past bills and reassured ourselves that we always pay our way and that nothing was owed.

Two years passed. Over that time it had been needling away in the back of my mind and a few times I mentioned it to my wife to ask if she'd approached the subject with her BIL and SIL yet. It mattered to me because he seemed that he thought he was having to sub me all the time and I hated that because of my childhood and the fact that I absolutely always pay my way. During those two years, I was absolutely sure that we always paid our wy or more but it was a mental drain always thiking that they thought we were spongers no matter what. After the two years, it came to a head as we'd been invited to go to France again and all of the memories came flooding back. I asked my wife outright to tackle it as I waited patiently for two years. Reluctantly she agreed.

I don't know what she said to him but he first said to her "oh yes I remember that conversation and I'd negotiated a discount on the bill (he spoke French). That absolutely didn't happen, only me and and my BIL were present and we spoke in English and there was no discount. So I contacted him via text and said that didn't happen. He then replied "I don't what I did yesterday mate let alone two years ago, you should've come to me earlier" Coming to him earlier was a fair point and I'd wanted to but I was respecting my wife's wishes that she wanted to handle it. The point however was that now his story had changed.

Then my SIL waded in, "I'm sorry but that's not what was said" (she's telling me that my story isn't true). Neither my wife nor my SIL was present to witness the conversation, only myself and my BIL.

Then things got a lot worse. My wife started to gaslight me, she started to say that the story I was now telling was different to the one I told her two years ago. She started to repeat the story that my BIL was now telling that he'd allegedly negotiated a discount in French and she started to say "I sometimes forget what actually happened and get carried away". I remember what happened like it was yesterday and I thought about it constantly, my wife presumably never thought about it because it didn't bother her so my memories are not cloudy.

After my SIL said "I'm sorry but that's not what was said", she never spoke to me again. I'd known her for over 15 years. To date, my wife has never waivered on the fact that BIL was innocent of what he said and that I must have lied, despite never having lied to her in the past.

I gave possible explanations for him, he may have been a bit drunk, SIL may not have made him aware or may have forgotten that we used to pay in for groceries etc as she handling the finances and he was known for having his head in the clouds sometimes.

When I eventually realised that full grown, seemingly sane adults weren't going to ever give in to their pride. I said "Ok, we both have different recollections of what happened that day but this is not something worth wrecking relationships over so let's just shake hands and call it a day" They never spoke to me again.

I've always been of the opinion that you should treat people how you'd like to be treated and if a friend or family member has caused upset you should talk about ir or if you're in the wrong, listen, understand and apologise.

What are you thoughts, what would you have done? AIBU?

Sorry that turned into a long one, phew!

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Soontobe60 · 28/02/2026 18:24

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 18:00

TBH, and I should have said... I was interested in what people would've done at the time. Would you have called BIL out straight away yourself? Should my wife have? It's just horrible that someone thinks you're cheap all the time when that isn't the case and gaslighting later is not ok.

At the time, I’d have said to BIL - I don’t have cash for a tip so I’ll pay more of the bill on my card and you can pay more for the tip. Job done.

SandyY2K · 28/02/2026 18:25

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

Given that you're divorced, I'd let it go. If you were still married, I'd decline any further holidays to stay with them.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 28/02/2026 18:28

5128gap · 28/02/2026 17:40

Your BiLs comments sound to me like the playing the big man type of thing some men say to brag they get discounts on things.
I'd not have taken it to mean he was saying he subbed you, especially as he didn't.
I think because of your past and need to show you're a good as everyone else (which you are!) you might have heard the meaning you feared rather than than one he intended.
Obviously I wasn't there, but going on the words you've written, that's my take.

I'm thinking this too.

It might be that BIL meant OP should go through him to get a special price, instead of paying full price.

It's very easy to see how this ended up in no-one speaking to each other, if BIL thought he was offering OP the chance to pay mates rates, and OP thought BIL was insinuating that OP was unwilling to pay full-price.

HildegardP · 28/02/2026 18:29

You have given, & judging by that screed, continue to give this trifling affair way, way too much of your attention & energy.

HappyToSmile · 28/02/2026 18:30

Maybe it's time to get some professional help over this. Your marriage is over and these things happened years ago. You cannot control what other people do or say, only the way you deal with them, and it doesn't sound like you are dealing with them at all.

WelcometomyUnderworld · 28/02/2026 18:36

I could not cope with this level of overthinking. Address comments when they’re made or shortly afterwards. I don’t think it’s right to have dragged your wife in on something she didn’t hear, particularly when the comment isn’t overtly pointed. I assume the level of offence you took was due to your background, and so you should have been able to appreciate that and better shrug it off.

Making your wife raise it 2 years later is what caused the disproportionate response. I’d also want to limit contact with someone who brings up a slight comment I made two years ago.

I honestly don’t understand how people operate when they give so much headspace to such trivial matters for so long.

SomethingUniqueThisTime · 28/02/2026 18:40

Rather than look at the incident around the restaurant bill, you have asked the question about whether you can learn anything for future relationships.
To me it sounds like you are rather obsessed and controlling about money, and people taking advantage of you - this is probably because of the impact of you background with your own family.
You talk very little about your actual relationship with your wife, and sound very very critical about her and blaming her for failing to deal with the offhand comment your BIL made, and the perceived loss of royalties from her friend.
It might be sensible to consider having a few counselling sessions to unpack the reasons your relationship ended, as well as your relationships with other people and money.
I suspect there is far more to these incidents than your current perspectives.

Pleasealexa · 28/02/2026 18:42

Your ex wife prioritised her friend over potential income for you and your wife. It appears you both had very different views on money. The does cause issues. Did your wife come from a wealthy background, whereas you have a scarcity mindset?

Did you manage to resolve finances in the divorce?

WelcometomyUnderworld · 28/02/2026 18:42

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 18:00

TBH, and I should have said... I was interested in what people would've done at the time. Would you have called BIL out straight away yourself? Should my wife have? It's just horrible that someone thinks you're cheap all the time when that isn't the case and gaslighting later is not ok.

I’d have said something along the lines of “what do you mean by that” in a sort of tongue in cheek way at the time. Or I’d have said, don’t worry I’ll give you the cash as soon as I’ve got some, or I’ll pick up more of the next bill.

Or I’d have asked my DH to say the next day that I’d been upset by the comment and I don’t want to give the impression I’m not paying my way so l’ll obviously reimburse the difference, and probably ask her to do so apologetically because I have a skewed sense of money given my family background so it’s important to me that I always pay my way.

Or I would’ve shrugged it off as a dick comment and decide it wasn’t worth ruining family relationships for and never thought about it again.

Boomer55 · 28/02/2026 18:43

They sound like complete drama llamas, but I’d honestly move on now.

Butchyrestingface · 28/02/2026 18:43

Why on earth have you started a thread about a total non-issue (your ex-BIL's off-hand remark) when you claim that your ex-wife's ex-friend stole £300k off you??

Priorities!

CamillaMcCauley · 28/02/2026 18:46

If you were struggling for funds and you had an untapped resource worth £300K plus sitting around, why didn’t you publish them online yourself?

The way you’ve pitched both problems it seems pretty clear that you believe your wife and BIL caused your marriage problems and you’ve done nothing wrong.

So why are you posting to “try to figure out whether you’re in the wrong”? Is there information you’re leaving out that might shed a different light? It’s hard to believe someone would be agonizing over these situations if they are as straightforward as you’ve set them out.

SereneOtter · 28/02/2026 18:53

I just don't believe this, sorry. You spent 2 years stewing over a sarky comment that BIL said then just casually drip feed that your wife's friend stole £300k from you and you let it go, and that isn't the thing that you've been stewing on for 2 years?!

Insidesains · 28/02/2026 18:55

Apparently the OP is willing to send us proof of this £300k according to last post.

chance that we don’t hear further from @Peoplearesoweird ? High

ClarasSisters · 28/02/2026 18:58
let it go GIF

Time to channel your inner Elsa love.

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 19:00

youalright · 28/02/2026 18:10

If you're putting rounds of drinks on credit cards how do you have 300k just laying around that you can afford to lose

I didn't have the £300k ever so I haven't lost it. I had something worth £300k which was my copyright. It's like copying an musician's music and selling it yourself... It's stealing but on a massive scale.

It was incredibly hard to let it go but it was that or lose everythng.

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FormFiller · 28/02/2026 19:00

Bonkers post.

The first sign your in-laws started to make you feel uncomfortable over staying with them in their holiday home should’ve been the last time you ever stayed there.

I’ve a relative with a place overseas. Paying flights, then treading on eggshells over who’s paying for what, and overstaying your welcome, and the power imbalance, is not what you want in a holiday.

This is why I never accept offers to stay in peoples holiday homes, or go on holiday with people. On my holidays I’ll pay my own way, stay where I want, and do what I want.

ClarasSisters · 28/02/2026 19:00

Obvs my post relates to the bil thing only. Letting go of 300k but holding on to stress/drama about a tip and a perceived slight is utterly batshit.

WilfredsPies · 28/02/2026 19:01

Quite a few years later, I got married to the woman of my dreams. Beautiful, funny, sharing lots of the same interests but above all she was kind, like I had never seen before

I am trying to make sense of what I could have done wrong so that it doesn't happen again

Could it be that you’ve built up this narrative that your wife was this wonderful human being and that you did something wrong when, actually, she might just have been a bit of a fucking arsehole. And what you need to do to stop it happening again in the future is to get some counselling so you recognise those red flags and don’t end up in another relationship with someone like her?

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 19:04

Insidesains · 28/02/2026 18:55

Apparently the OP is willing to send us proof of this £300k according to last post.

chance that we don’t hear further from @Peoplearesoweird ? High

Why the hell would I just invent that??? I came here to get some perspective, you don't ever win arguments on the internet but I've always found the Mumsnet crowd to be fairly fair. My 18 month old nephew was also beaten to death by his mother and / or boyfriend but I guess I've made that up as well? I gain nothing at all from not telling the truth.

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Insidesains · 28/02/2026 19:04

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 19:04

Why the hell would I just invent that??? I came here to get some perspective, you don't ever win arguments on the internet but I've always found the Mumsnet crowd to be fairly fair. My 18 month old nephew was also beaten to death by his mother and / or boyfriend but I guess I've made that up as well? I gain nothing at all from not telling the truth.

You offered to share the “proof”

go on then

Insidesains · 28/02/2026 19:05

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 19:04

Why the hell would I just invent that??? I came here to get some perspective, you don't ever win arguments on the internet but I've always found the Mumsnet crowd to be fairly fair. My 18 month old nephew was also beaten to death by his mother and / or boyfriend but I guess I've made that up as well? I gain nothing at all from not telling the truth.

you need professional RL support

urgently

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 19:07

WilfredsPies · 28/02/2026 19:01

Quite a few years later, I got married to the woman of my dreams. Beautiful, funny, sharing lots of the same interests but above all she was kind, like I had never seen before

I am trying to make sense of what I could have done wrong so that it doesn't happen again

Could it be that you’ve built up this narrative that your wife was this wonderful human being and that you did something wrong when, actually, she might just have been a bit of a fucking arsehole. And what you need to do to stop it happening again in the future is to get some counselling so you recognise those red flags and don’t end up in another relationship with someone like her?

She is overall genuinely kind and I still don't have any ill feelings towards her. But people in general always seem to disappoint in some way or other. After a lot of research I've found that she is actually something called an 'avoidant' which I'd never heard of. It's worth looking up as it's quite interesting. Essentially she can't stand holding anyone to account which means everyone will get away with everything except those closest to her.

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Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 19:10

ClarasSisters · 28/02/2026 19:00

Obvs my post relates to the bil thing only. Letting go of 300k but holding on to stress/drama about a tip and a perceived slight is utterly batshit.

I let go of it legally, what I'm left with is being let down constantly by the one closest to me.

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Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 19:13

SereneOtter · 28/02/2026 18:53

I just don't believe this, sorry. You spent 2 years stewing over a sarky comment that BIL said then just casually drip feed that your wife's friend stole £300k from you and you let it go, and that isn't the thing that you've been stewing on for 2 years?!

I'm sorry but there's loads and loads of stuff, I never intended to give you more than the lightest issue otherwise I'd be here for a lifetime. The lightest issue represented part of the same pattern. I only mentioned some of the other issues because accusations of not paying enough when I'd probbaly paid too much weren't enough for some. I would wager that most people would be offended and I wanted to sort ot straight away to clear the air.

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