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BIL suggested I never pay enough.

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Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:23

I recently got divorced and am really struggling what to make of life going forward, there just doesn't seem to be much point any more.

Of late, I've been trying to make sense of some of the things that we argued about so I'll give you one of the lighter discussions that was never fully put to bed... What would you have done?

To give you some context, I had to leave my family home where I grew up abruptly, my younger brother who has issues with drugs, came at me and not for the first time with a carving knife and my parents just watched. I had to move out for my own safety and I did so without a penny to my name and quickly got into debt as you can imagine.

I'm not looking for sympathy at all, this is just to give you some context for the next part of the story. This start in life has always made me feel that I needed to make sure that I had enough money, that I paid my way and it would often mean that if we were going out that I'd be the first to buy everyone a drink, even if I didn't have the money right away (credit card). I didn't want anyone to think I was a sponger.

Now for the next part of the story....

Quite a few years later, I got married to the woman of my dreams. Beautiful, funny, sharing lots of the same interests but above all she was kind, like I had never seen before.

Her sister and BIL had a small house in France that they visited every year and we were often invited to go and stay 'for a cheap week, just pay for the flight'. Of course it wasn't just paying for the flight, you're family and you want to chip in where possible, why should we cost them to look after us? So we would pay money into SIL's account before the holiday for groceries, we'd paid for thanks of petrol, additional grocery bills, the odd meal out as a thank you and drinks etc. Because it always feels like they're doing you a favour, you can never really feel grateful enough. It wasn't ever a cheap holiday and we couldv'e one cheaper elsewhere but it wasn't about that, it was quality time spent away with the family.

Anyway... one evening we were out at a restaurant, myself, my wife and my BIL and SIL. The evening went fine and we were all having a good time as far as I could see. We finished our meal and both myself and my BIL went up to the bar area to pay the bill. We'd generally split it between the couples. I always like to leave at least the recommended tip but I know everyone is different. I asked the waitress if we could add the tip onto the card payment but unfortunately they don't allow it for some reason as is the way in a lot of European countries, so we had to pay cash.

I rarely carry cash (I should've remembered to take some) and so I asked if my BIL could pay the tip and I'm sort him out later as I always would. He said fine and paid the tip in cash (€10) and I said thank you. He then said and I quote " Any time you want to pay the full price, rather than the special price you often get, let me know".

I didn't know what to say so I just smiled a bit and said "ok thanks".

When we got back to our room that night, I told my wife about it. She looked quite upset and said "that doesn't sound like something he'd say but I'll handle it" and we obviously discussed a bit about recent and past bills and reassured ourselves that we always pay our way and that nothing was owed.

Two years passed. Over that time it had been needling away in the back of my mind and a few times I mentioned it to my wife to ask if she'd approached the subject with her BIL and SIL yet. It mattered to me because he seemed that he thought he was having to sub me all the time and I hated that because of my childhood and the fact that I absolutely always pay my way. During those two years, I was absolutely sure that we always paid our wy or more but it was a mental drain always thiking that they thought we were spongers no matter what. After the two years, it came to a head as we'd been invited to go to France again and all of the memories came flooding back. I asked my wife outright to tackle it as I waited patiently for two years. Reluctantly she agreed.

I don't know what she said to him but he first said to her "oh yes I remember that conversation and I'd negotiated a discount on the bill (he spoke French). That absolutely didn't happen, only me and and my BIL were present and we spoke in English and there was no discount. So I contacted him via text and said that didn't happen. He then replied "I don't what I did yesterday mate let alone two years ago, you should've come to me earlier" Coming to him earlier was a fair point and I'd wanted to but I was respecting my wife's wishes that she wanted to handle it. The point however was that now his story had changed.

Then my SIL waded in, "I'm sorry but that's not what was said" (she's telling me that my story isn't true). Neither my wife nor my SIL was present to witness the conversation, only myself and my BIL.

Then things got a lot worse. My wife started to gaslight me, she started to say that the story I was now telling was different to the one I told her two years ago. She started to repeat the story that my BIL was now telling that he'd allegedly negotiated a discount in French and she started to say "I sometimes forget what actually happened and get carried away". I remember what happened like it was yesterday and I thought about it constantly, my wife presumably never thought about it because it didn't bother her so my memories are not cloudy.

After my SIL said "I'm sorry but that's not what was said", she never spoke to me again. I'd known her for over 15 years. To date, my wife has never waivered on the fact that BIL was innocent of what he said and that I must have lied, despite never having lied to her in the past.

I gave possible explanations for him, he may have been a bit drunk, SIL may not have made him aware or may have forgotten that we used to pay in for groceries etc as she handling the finances and he was known for having his head in the clouds sometimes.

When I eventually realised that full grown, seemingly sane adults weren't going to ever give in to their pride. I said "Ok, we both have different recollections of what happened that day but this is not something worth wrecking relationships over so let's just shake hands and call it a day" They never spoke to me again.

I've always been of the opinion that you should treat people how you'd like to be treated and if a friend or family member has caused upset you should talk about ir or if you're in the wrong, listen, understand and apologise.

What are you thoughts, what would you have done? AIBU?

Sorry that turned into a long one, phew!

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Viviennemary · 28/02/2026 17:35

I think its unreasonable to expect somebody to remember anything about a restaurant bill two years ago. And your bringing it up after all this time - I dont think that was the right thing to do.

Nevermind17 · 28/02/2026 17:35

This makes no sense. There is no “recommended tip” in France. You can leave a couple of € for a drink but it’s not expected. Storm in a teacup over nothing. I don’t understand what your BIL said to you or why that makes you look cheap?

5128gap · 28/02/2026 17:40

Your BiLs comments sound to me like the playing the big man type of thing some men say to brag they get discounts on things.
I'd not have taken it to mean he was saying he subbed you, especially as he didn't.
I think because of your past and need to show you're a good as everyone else (which you are!) you might have heard the meaning you feared rather than than one he intended.
Obviously I wasn't there, but going on the words you've written, that's my take.

Empress13 · 28/02/2026 17:44

Let it go life’s too short

JudgeJ · 28/02/2026 17:45

Ponoka7 · 28/02/2026 16:52

It was for you to ask what BIL meant at the time, not be on your wife's case, two years later. You needed to let it go. If that was one of your lighter attacks, you've been emotionally abusive.

MN hypocrisy raises its head! The mantra is usually that if the woman is upset by her in-laws, the man has to deal with his family to 'support' her. If that's the case then surly the wife should have dealt with his in-laws to 'support' him.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 28/02/2026 17:46

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

Someone stole 300k from you and you just let it go? This can't be real.

OldScribbler · 28/02/2026 17:51

Blimey, I can’t remember a restaurant bill from last week. There must be many other things to think about - all more interesting.

Helpitsoutofshape · 28/02/2026 17:51

JudgeJ · 28/02/2026 17:45

MN hypocrisy raises its head! The mantra is usually that if the woman is upset by her in-laws, the man has to deal with his family to 'support' her. If that's the case then surly the wife should have dealt with his in-laws to 'support' him.

Exactly, and his wife said she would deal with it and then didn’t

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:52

Triskels · 28/02/2026 16:55

This makes absolutely no sense.

We owned the copyright to hundreds of printed magazines that we'd designed. Her ex-friend asked me if I'd sign over copyright to him so he could publish them online. At the time he had owed us a fair bit of money already and we were struggling to get him to pay up so I said "yes for a small fee". He then typed up a document to say I'd signed over full copyright to him and forged my signature. With copyright you often charge a royalties amount, so a small percentage in this case of every sale. That ended up being £300k. My ex wanted to charge £10k rather than it being based on sales because "she felt for him". If he didn't like the figure, he didn't have to steal.

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Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:55

Howmanycatsistoomany · 28/02/2026 17:46

Someone stole 300k from you and you just let it go? This can't be real.

I had to. I'd spent £9k on solicitors, and my wife wasn't supporting me, I chose her over the money. It cost us a house in the end because I didn't have the money to fight it. We needn't have argued over it though.

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janietreemore · 28/02/2026 17:55

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

WHAT? Someone stole 300k by forging your signature and you let it go? Your ex wife is not responsible for your actions OP. You should have gone to the police. A handwriting expert would know the signature was forged.

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:57

janietreemore · 28/02/2026 17:55

WHAT? Someone stole 300k by forging your signature and you let it go? Your ex wife is not responsible for your actions OP. You should have gone to the police. A handwriting expert would know the signature was forged.

Edited

The police won't deal with it, it's classed as a civil matter.

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janietreemore · 28/02/2026 17:59

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:57

The police won't deal with it, it's classed as a civil matter.

That's awful.
From what you say, you are well out of the anyway. Time to move on.

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 18:00

TBH, and I should have said... I was interested in what people would've done at the time. Would you have called BIL out straight away yourself? Should my wife have? It's just horrible that someone thinks you're cheap all the time when that isn't the case and gaslighting later is not ok.

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titchy · 28/02/2026 18:01

lol. Someone nicked £300k off you yet your OP is about someone saying you were tight a few years ago…. Your name is certainly right!

Beachtastic · 28/02/2026 18:01

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:00

@Getofftheunicorn I am trying to make sense of what I could have done wrong so that it doesn't happen again. If she was upset by something or someone, I'd always listen to her and try and help, isn't that what you do? Or is best just to pretend someone's feelings don't matter because it's easier on you?

This was the lightest example. Her ex-friend also forged my signature in order to steal £300k from me, I had to let it go because it was easier on her. She tried to tell me he was also kind.

I am trying to make sense of what I could have done wrong so that it doesn't happen again

What you did wrong was to get involved with arseholes, and play along with it because you have a tendency to feel "on the back foot" all the time. I get it, I've done the same many times.

That's what you need to learn about and change.

The ideal is to learn boundaries, etc etc etc, but if you're anything like me that's a bit like saying you have to grow a new head. Also, life seems to trick us with wolves in sheep's clothing.

What I found easier was to live alone for many years until I learned to love and trust myself. Eventually, someone came into my life who actually improved it. (He had a hard act to follow, because by then being alone was so good that I was actively avoiding messing it up with another relationship.)

I'm sorry you are suffering trying to make sense of your broken relationship. Some people don't really make sense, though. All that energy you're spending focused on how you could have done better, etc, would serve you well if you turned the focus inward. How can you treat YOURSELF better? What do you fancy doing in the morning? What would you really like to eat tonight? Is there anything you haven't done for a while that would gladden your heart this week?

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 18:01

Tontostitis · 28/02/2026 17:08

With the greatest respect you often can't make sense if what went wrong, it went wrong it's over. You seem to fixate on things and stew and should stop that. Sort things out or let them go. The 300k story is quite frankly unbelievable I wonder if you tend to rewrite history in your fixated mulling over of things.

Youneed clear and consistent boundaries with relatives. Accepting free holiday accommodations then quietly adding up all the costs is oddly resentful either accept or don't. This marriage is over move on and stop obsessing its deeply unattractive and does no good

I can send you the legal documents but the £300k happened. These are the issues that I had to just accept, that's why it ended.

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Insidesains · 28/02/2026 18:02

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 18:00

TBH, and I should have said... I was interested in what people would've done at the time. Would you have called BIL out straight away yourself? Should my wife have? It's just horrible that someone thinks you're cheap all the time when that isn't the case and gaslighting later is not ok.

I’d really like to hear the BIL’s version

Although in reality - he probably hasn’t given this one nanosecond’s further thought

Bigearringsbigsmile · 28/02/2026 18:02

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Insidesains · 28/02/2026 18:02

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 18:01

I can send you the legal documents but the £300k happened. These are the issues that I had to just accept, that's why it ended.

Go on then

send them

youalright · 28/02/2026 18:10

If you're putting rounds of drinks on credit cards how do you have 300k just laying around that you can afford to lose

FunnyOrca · 28/02/2026 18:15

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 18:00

TBH, and I should have said... I was interested in what people would've done at the time. Would you have called BIL out straight away yourself? Should my wife have? It's just horrible that someone thinks you're cheap all the time when that isn't the case and gaslighting later is not ok.

At the time, I would have negotiated, if we were splitting the bill and he was leaving €10 in tip, I would have paid €5 of his half of the bill on card and him €5 less. It’s an easy split.

If I had not done that and BIL made that comment, I would have said, “sorry, did you find the split unfair? Let’s even up.” These things only fester, and with you it has really festered.

daisychain01 · 28/02/2026 18:16

You need to stop ruminating. It's really irrelevant, why waste energy thinking about it, it won't change the fact your BIL had a dig at you. Move forward. He isn't your BIL anymore so just go meh.

OfficerChurlish · 28/02/2026 18:18

For what it's worth, I would have asked BIL then and there what he meant. The "discount" could have been true; perhaps he called ahead or had some kind of standing deal, but two years later didn't remember the exact circumstances of that night or got it confused with another night or even another location where he was given a discount when paying the bill.

As the two of you were splitting the bill you each would have benefitted equally from the discount. If he thought it was wrong or unfair why would he initiate it, and why would he blame you? It isn't logical that he made the comment to imply that you are cheap. Perhaps he wanted you to understand that these weren't the regular prices, in case you later came back to the restaurant or recommended it to someone else? Or he could have been bragging, or expecting a thank you or for you to ask him how he did it. It's understandable that none of this would be memorable to him two years later, and I can understand if he and his wife were annoyed that you brought this up so long afterwards and implied he was lying or behaving poorly toward you.

As far as your general feeling that BIL and SIL might have thought you were taking advantage of their hospitality or not paying your way - this was as much your wife's responsibility as yours, more so as she had the existing relationship with them. It sounds like YOU think you DID pay fairly and tried hard to make sure you did; why keep worrying about whether these people might have thought something different since (1) they never clearly said so and (2) they're no longer in your life?

Reading between the lines, it sounds like there were serious issues with communication between you and your wife at various points, and you did not push her when you should have. I don't think analysing every situation and conversation is going to help you; just focus on what a healthy relationship would look like. Let this one go. It does sound like your experiences with money earlier in your life ARE interfering with your later relationships; maybe therapy for that would help if you can access it?

Soontobe60 · 28/02/2026 18:21

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

Really? You thought a throw away comment made 2 years ago would be more important than this?
You need to get out more!

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