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BIL suggested I never pay enough.

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Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:23

I recently got divorced and am really struggling what to make of life going forward, there just doesn't seem to be much point any more.

Of late, I've been trying to make sense of some of the things that we argued about so I'll give you one of the lighter discussions that was never fully put to bed... What would you have done?

To give you some context, I had to leave my family home where I grew up abruptly, my younger brother who has issues with drugs, came at me and not for the first time with a carving knife and my parents just watched. I had to move out for my own safety and I did so without a penny to my name and quickly got into debt as you can imagine.

I'm not looking for sympathy at all, this is just to give you some context for the next part of the story. This start in life has always made me feel that I needed to make sure that I had enough money, that I paid my way and it would often mean that if we were going out that I'd be the first to buy everyone a drink, even if I didn't have the money right away (credit card). I didn't want anyone to think I was a sponger.

Now for the next part of the story....

Quite a few years later, I got married to the woman of my dreams. Beautiful, funny, sharing lots of the same interests but above all she was kind, like I had never seen before.

Her sister and BIL had a small house in France that they visited every year and we were often invited to go and stay 'for a cheap week, just pay for the flight'. Of course it wasn't just paying for the flight, you're family and you want to chip in where possible, why should we cost them to look after us? So we would pay money into SIL's account before the holiday for groceries, we'd paid for thanks of petrol, additional grocery bills, the odd meal out as a thank you and drinks etc. Because it always feels like they're doing you a favour, you can never really feel grateful enough. It wasn't ever a cheap holiday and we couldv'e one cheaper elsewhere but it wasn't about that, it was quality time spent away with the family.

Anyway... one evening we were out at a restaurant, myself, my wife and my BIL and SIL. The evening went fine and we were all having a good time as far as I could see. We finished our meal and both myself and my BIL went up to the bar area to pay the bill. We'd generally split it between the couples. I always like to leave at least the recommended tip but I know everyone is different. I asked the waitress if we could add the tip onto the card payment but unfortunately they don't allow it for some reason as is the way in a lot of European countries, so we had to pay cash.

I rarely carry cash (I should've remembered to take some) and so I asked if my BIL could pay the tip and I'm sort him out later as I always would. He said fine and paid the tip in cash (€10) and I said thank you. He then said and I quote " Any time you want to pay the full price, rather than the special price you often get, let me know".

I didn't know what to say so I just smiled a bit and said "ok thanks".

When we got back to our room that night, I told my wife about it. She looked quite upset and said "that doesn't sound like something he'd say but I'll handle it" and we obviously discussed a bit about recent and past bills and reassured ourselves that we always pay our way and that nothing was owed.

Two years passed. Over that time it had been needling away in the back of my mind and a few times I mentioned it to my wife to ask if she'd approached the subject with her BIL and SIL yet. It mattered to me because he seemed that he thought he was having to sub me all the time and I hated that because of my childhood and the fact that I absolutely always pay my way. During those two years, I was absolutely sure that we always paid our wy or more but it was a mental drain always thiking that they thought we were spongers no matter what. After the two years, it came to a head as we'd been invited to go to France again and all of the memories came flooding back. I asked my wife outright to tackle it as I waited patiently for two years. Reluctantly she agreed.

I don't know what she said to him but he first said to her "oh yes I remember that conversation and I'd negotiated a discount on the bill (he spoke French). That absolutely didn't happen, only me and and my BIL were present and we spoke in English and there was no discount. So I contacted him via text and said that didn't happen. He then replied "I don't what I did yesterday mate let alone two years ago, you should've come to me earlier" Coming to him earlier was a fair point and I'd wanted to but I was respecting my wife's wishes that she wanted to handle it. The point however was that now his story had changed.

Then my SIL waded in, "I'm sorry but that's not what was said" (she's telling me that my story isn't true). Neither my wife nor my SIL was present to witness the conversation, only myself and my BIL.

Then things got a lot worse. My wife started to gaslight me, she started to say that the story I was now telling was different to the one I told her two years ago. She started to repeat the story that my BIL was now telling that he'd allegedly negotiated a discount in French and she started to say "I sometimes forget what actually happened and get carried away". I remember what happened like it was yesterday and I thought about it constantly, my wife presumably never thought about it because it didn't bother her so my memories are not cloudy.

After my SIL said "I'm sorry but that's not what was said", she never spoke to me again. I'd known her for over 15 years. To date, my wife has never waivered on the fact that BIL was innocent of what he said and that I must have lied, despite never having lied to her in the past.

I gave possible explanations for him, he may have been a bit drunk, SIL may not have made him aware or may have forgotten that we used to pay in for groceries etc as she handling the finances and he was known for having his head in the clouds sometimes.

When I eventually realised that full grown, seemingly sane adults weren't going to ever give in to their pride. I said "Ok, we both have different recollections of what happened that day but this is not something worth wrecking relationships over so let's just shake hands and call it a day" They never spoke to me again.

I've always been of the opinion that you should treat people how you'd like to be treated and if a friend or family member has caused upset you should talk about ir or if you're in the wrong, listen, understand and apologise.

What are you thoughts, what would you have done? AIBU?

Sorry that turned into a long one, phew!

OP posts:
Hankunamatata · 28/02/2026 17:07

But isnt divorce often a blame game? People rarely get divorced amicably. Find a good therapist and work on your self esteem.

Tontostitis · 28/02/2026 17:08

With the greatest respect you often can't make sense if what went wrong, it went wrong it's over. You seem to fixate on things and stew and should stop that. Sort things out or let them go. The 300k story is quite frankly unbelievable I wonder if you tend to rewrite history in your fixated mulling over of things.

Youneed clear and consistent boundaries with relatives. Accepting free holiday accommodations then quietly adding up all the costs is oddly resentful either accept or don't. This marriage is over move on and stop obsessing its deeply unattractive and does no good

LaurieFairyCake · 28/02/2026 17:08

They’re all arseholes, you’re in the right, he was trying to diminish you FlowersFlowersFlowers

glad you’re rid of them

VoltaireMittyDream · 28/02/2026 17:08

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 17:05

Apparently as his ex wife found it too much hassle and wanted to be kind.

So part of the problem here is that OP assumed, for some reason, that they had to do exactly whatever then wife said rather than using their own noggin.

Ex-wife not respecting their feelings might be the least of OP’s problems.

AmandaBrotzman · 28/02/2026 17:08

I wouldn't have brought it up again but my pride wouldn't have let me go on a 'cheap' holiday with them again in case they felt they were subbing me. Police decline.

Helpitsoutofshape · 28/02/2026 17:10

Maybe you didn’t do anything wrong and she was just a nasty user but it’s hard for anyone here to know that without hearing her side of the story.
Let it go and get some therapy OP

BerryTwister · 28/02/2026 17:10

I don’t blame you OP. I’d have been annoyed too. I grew up very poor, but was always taught to pay my way. Being essentially labelled as “tight” would be a massive insult to me. It’s hard for some people to understand.

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 17:11

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SpidersAreShitheads · 28/02/2026 17:11

I think given your past, it’s understandable that you’re a bit prickly about money. It would seem that in your mind this has taken on much greater importance than it would have to many others.

FWIW, I’m autistic and can get a bit wound up if someone is insisting one thing is true when I know that it’s not. It really presses my buttons so I can understand why this incident would have stuck with you.

However, we have to let some things go. You’re not married any more and this won’t ever matter again. You know the truth so it doesn’t matter what they think. You know you upheld the values that feel important to you.

I do wonder if you have some issues with assertiveness though. You didn’t address that comment with your BIL at the time; it really shouldn’t have been up to your wife to sort it out afterwards. But even more unbelievably, you let an enormous fraud pass??? That’s mind boggling. Letting your wife persuade you to ignore it is absolutely inconceivable. Is it too late to address this now?

Either way I suspect you need some therapy to help you manage to keep things in perspective and to help you look after your own needs. It feels as if you’re too caught up in wanting to be seen like a good person and then resentment festers.

aBuffetofunreasonableness · 28/02/2026 17:11

You didn't have to let the woman's mate rob you of £300,000, not reporting it was a choice you made.

Forgot all those people, have therapy and enjoy life.

TheJaqual · 28/02/2026 17:12

You need to go to the police about the £300k.

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 17:12

BerryTwister · 28/02/2026 17:10

I don’t blame you OP. I’d have been annoyed too. I grew up very poor, but was always taught to pay my way. Being essentially labelled as “tight” would be a massive insult to me. It’s hard for some people to understand.

Everyone understands, many of us grew up poor, what’s being said is why didn’t you address it at the time, and why stew on it for years. They probably can’t even remember which meal it was,

and the 300k is completely unbelievable, which does make me wonder about the ops version of events.

Helpitsoutofshape · 28/02/2026 17:13

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That’s so mean

LucyLoo1972 · 28/02/2026 17:13

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:05

@Ponoka7 Her ex-friend forged my signature in order to steal £300k from me, I had to let it go because it was easier for her. I had to work and pay all my bills and hers because I could not for love or money get her to work. Some days she earnt no more than £13, I was working 12hour+ days. I was kind, understanding and considerate, it made no difference. I am not and have never been abusive but thank you.

I dont understand about this money

FeistyFrankie · 28/02/2026 17:13

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

People are getting hung up on the amount of time that passed, but the real issue is the fact that your wife said, at the time, that she'd speak to them about it - and then, just.. didn't.

People who have not been through a divorce might not necessarily recognise that the patterns that emerge as a relationship comes to an end (or, rather, that we begin to see patterns in our spouse's behaviour). This situation reads to me like, none of them really respected you. The BIL's comment was a dig, and your wife couldn't be bothered to address it. When it WAS finally brought up, they all made up a bunch of crap to make you look bad.

If this was how your wife treated you, then, I think the divorce was for the best. She obviously didn't support you or stand up for you.

BurnTheWholeThingDown · 28/02/2026 17:14

You are going to have to explain the £300k, come on now.

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 17:14

Helpitsoutofshape · 28/02/2026 17:13

That’s so mean

Why’s it mean, others have said similar.

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 17:15

FeistyFrankie · 28/02/2026 17:13

People are getting hung up on the amount of time that passed, but the real issue is the fact that your wife said, at the time, that she'd speak to them about it - and then, just.. didn't.

People who have not been through a divorce might not necessarily recognise that the patterns that emerge as a relationship comes to an end (or, rather, that we begin to see patterns in our spouse's behaviour). This situation reads to me like, none of them really respected you. The BIL's comment was a dig, and your wife couldn't be bothered to address it. When it WAS finally brought up, they all made up a bunch of crap to make you look bad.

If this was how your wife treated you, then, I think the divorce was for the best. She obviously didn't support you or stand up for you.

Or they couldn’t remember it as it was so long ago.

VoltaireMittyDream · 28/02/2026 17:16

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:05

@Ponoka7 Her ex-friend forged my signature in order to steal £300k from me, I had to let it go because it was easier for her. I had to work and pay all my bills and hers because I could not for love or money get her to work. Some days she earnt no more than £13, I was working 12hour+ days. I was kind, understanding and considerate, it made no difference. I am not and have never been abusive but thank you.

You did not have to do any of this, though. You had the option at any time to say no or leave the relationship.

Do you think you might have some have social communication differences OP? A couple of things make me wonder: stewing on small interactions for years; not understanding the options available to you in relationships & assuming you have to do whatever your partner wants; focussing on small details rather than big picture issues (like theft of £300k).

Do you wonder whether your ex and her friend might have conspired to defraud you, knowing that you wouldn’t follow up with the police if they asked you nicely not to?

Rather than stewing on whether your ex should have been nicer to you, put your energy into building assertiveness and social communication skills, and an understanding of boundaries.

aloris · 28/02/2026 17:18

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

You really buried the lede there.

TicklishReader · 28/02/2026 17:21

blinks

I agree with the posters suggesting you seek therapy.

Triskels · 28/02/2026 17:23

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:05

@Ponoka7 Her ex-friend forged my signature in order to steal £300k from me, I had to let it go because it was easier for her. I had to work and pay all my bills and hers because I could not for love or money get her to work. Some days she earnt no more than £13, I was working 12hour+ days. I was kind, understanding and considerate, it made no difference. I am not and have never been abusive but thank you.

I got married to the woman of my dreams. Beautiful, funny, sharing lots of the same interests but above all she was kind, like I had never seen before.

Your words, OP. Or did the 'woman of your dreams' never work for a living in your dreams, either?

BackinRed101 · 28/02/2026 17:27

personally have a note book and date it for who pays what etc then its there

Insidesains · 28/02/2026 17:32

It is disturbing you are so hung up about this two years later

MrTiddlesTheCat · 28/02/2026 17:32

You want to know what you did wrong?

First example, you held onto a petty grudge for 2 years. You should have dealt with it at the time or let it go. Raising the issue 2 years later is nuts.

Second example, you should have gone to the police rather than letting your wife and her mate shaft you.

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