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BIL suggested I never pay enough.

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Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:23

I recently got divorced and am really struggling what to make of life going forward, there just doesn't seem to be much point any more.

Of late, I've been trying to make sense of some of the things that we argued about so I'll give you one of the lighter discussions that was never fully put to bed... What would you have done?

To give you some context, I had to leave my family home where I grew up abruptly, my younger brother who has issues with drugs, came at me and not for the first time with a carving knife and my parents just watched. I had to move out for my own safety and I did so without a penny to my name and quickly got into debt as you can imagine.

I'm not looking for sympathy at all, this is just to give you some context for the next part of the story. This start in life has always made me feel that I needed to make sure that I had enough money, that I paid my way and it would often mean that if we were going out that I'd be the first to buy everyone a drink, even if I didn't have the money right away (credit card). I didn't want anyone to think I was a sponger.

Now for the next part of the story....

Quite a few years later, I got married to the woman of my dreams. Beautiful, funny, sharing lots of the same interests but above all she was kind, like I had never seen before.

Her sister and BIL had a small house in France that they visited every year and we were often invited to go and stay 'for a cheap week, just pay for the flight'. Of course it wasn't just paying for the flight, you're family and you want to chip in where possible, why should we cost them to look after us? So we would pay money into SIL's account before the holiday for groceries, we'd paid for thanks of petrol, additional grocery bills, the odd meal out as a thank you and drinks etc. Because it always feels like they're doing you a favour, you can never really feel grateful enough. It wasn't ever a cheap holiday and we couldv'e one cheaper elsewhere but it wasn't about that, it was quality time spent away with the family.

Anyway... one evening we were out at a restaurant, myself, my wife and my BIL and SIL. The evening went fine and we were all having a good time as far as I could see. We finished our meal and both myself and my BIL went up to the bar area to pay the bill. We'd generally split it between the couples. I always like to leave at least the recommended tip but I know everyone is different. I asked the waitress if we could add the tip onto the card payment but unfortunately they don't allow it for some reason as is the way in a lot of European countries, so we had to pay cash.

I rarely carry cash (I should've remembered to take some) and so I asked if my BIL could pay the tip and I'm sort him out later as I always would. He said fine and paid the tip in cash (€10) and I said thank you. He then said and I quote " Any time you want to pay the full price, rather than the special price you often get, let me know".

I didn't know what to say so I just smiled a bit and said "ok thanks".

When we got back to our room that night, I told my wife about it. She looked quite upset and said "that doesn't sound like something he'd say but I'll handle it" and we obviously discussed a bit about recent and past bills and reassured ourselves that we always pay our way and that nothing was owed.

Two years passed. Over that time it had been needling away in the back of my mind and a few times I mentioned it to my wife to ask if she'd approached the subject with her BIL and SIL yet. It mattered to me because he seemed that he thought he was having to sub me all the time and I hated that because of my childhood and the fact that I absolutely always pay my way. During those two years, I was absolutely sure that we always paid our wy or more but it was a mental drain always thiking that they thought we were spongers no matter what. After the two years, it came to a head as we'd been invited to go to France again and all of the memories came flooding back. I asked my wife outright to tackle it as I waited patiently for two years. Reluctantly she agreed.

I don't know what she said to him but he first said to her "oh yes I remember that conversation and I'd negotiated a discount on the bill (he spoke French). That absolutely didn't happen, only me and and my BIL were present and we spoke in English and there was no discount. So I contacted him via text and said that didn't happen. He then replied "I don't what I did yesterday mate let alone two years ago, you should've come to me earlier" Coming to him earlier was a fair point and I'd wanted to but I was respecting my wife's wishes that she wanted to handle it. The point however was that now his story had changed.

Then my SIL waded in, "I'm sorry but that's not what was said" (she's telling me that my story isn't true). Neither my wife nor my SIL was present to witness the conversation, only myself and my BIL.

Then things got a lot worse. My wife started to gaslight me, she started to say that the story I was now telling was different to the one I told her two years ago. She started to repeat the story that my BIL was now telling that he'd allegedly negotiated a discount in French and she started to say "I sometimes forget what actually happened and get carried away". I remember what happened like it was yesterday and I thought about it constantly, my wife presumably never thought about it because it didn't bother her so my memories are not cloudy.

After my SIL said "I'm sorry but that's not what was said", she never spoke to me again. I'd known her for over 15 years. To date, my wife has never waivered on the fact that BIL was innocent of what he said and that I must have lied, despite never having lied to her in the past.

I gave possible explanations for him, he may have been a bit drunk, SIL may not have made him aware or may have forgotten that we used to pay in for groceries etc as she handling the finances and he was known for having his head in the clouds sometimes.

When I eventually realised that full grown, seemingly sane adults weren't going to ever give in to their pride. I said "Ok, we both have different recollections of what happened that day but this is not something worth wrecking relationships over so let's just shake hands and call it a day" They never spoke to me again.

I've always been of the opinion that you should treat people how you'd like to be treated and if a friend or family member has caused upset you should talk about ir or if you're in the wrong, listen, understand and apologise.

What are you thoughts, what would you have done? AIBU?

Sorry that turned into a long one, phew!

OP posts:
Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:55

@Crunchymum because she has tried to blame the whole marriage failing on me so I am trying to make sense of what I could have done wrong so that it doesn't happen again. I was all for tackling it the next day, she chose to wait a few years.

OP posts:
Triskels · 28/02/2026 16:55

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

This makes absolutely no sense.

Triskels · 28/02/2026 16:56

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:55

@Crunchymum because she has tried to blame the whole marriage failing on me so I am trying to make sense of what I could have done wrong so that it doesn't happen again. I was all for tackling it the next day, she chose to wait a few years.

What stopped you saying 'What do you mean, BIL?' at the time?

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 16:56

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

You want cheap holidays, self cater and someone stole 300k by doing nothing more than forging your signature and your wife said yeah bit if hassle to deal with it, let’s just let her keep it.

sure.

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 16:56

BlackCatsForever · 28/02/2026 16:51

I get it,OP - it may seem like a little thing but it’s more than just a restaurant bill - it’s the injustice, isn’t it; being accused of something you didn’t do. You just want somebody to acknowledge it, otherwise you start to feel like you’re going mad. Plus when you’re in a bad place mentally eg due to a breakup it’s all too to ruminate on seemingly minor things.

Unfortunately they are not going to acknowledge it so you will need to find a way to make peace with it somehow. Maybe counselling would help you come to terms with your divorce?

Also just a heads up, it would probably have been better to post this in Relationships as AIBU often seems to attract the kind of posters who will make you feel worse about yourself.

Agreed. This.

TheJaqual · 28/02/2026 16:56

I don’t understand why you’re not focusing on the 300k.

FuzzyPuffling · 28/02/2026 16:57

PreciousEnough · 28/02/2026 16:55

So many people here can’t handle long paragraphs of prose. This country’s literacy is alarming.

Ridiculous. I have excellent literacy skills, and limited time.

If only you knew how many "agrees" I have.

Now stop picking on me and go back to the original saga.

DestinedToBeOutlived · 28/02/2026 16:58

I think I would be more focused on the 300k that was fraudulently stolen from you tbh.

Helpitsoutofshape · 28/02/2026 16:58

I can understand why you are struggling to let this injustice go but you are never going to get the resolution you are looking for from them.
I think you need to have some therapy so you can work through these issues in a neutral environment so you can learn to let it go and move on.
Ignore the harsh responses on this thread. Some posters like to stick the knife in on AIBU particularly if the OP is male (which I’m assuming you are)

FreshInks · 28/02/2026 16:59

You need to let this go. Are you finding it difficult to let go of your ex wife?

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 28/02/2026 16:59

TheJaqual · 28/02/2026 16:56

I don’t understand why you’re not focusing on the 300k.

I agree. We get an essay on a complete non-issue and then a £300k fraud as a throwaway comment.

OP needs to work on priorities!

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:00

@Getofftheunicorn I am trying to make sense of what I could have done wrong so that it doesn't happen again. If she was upset by something or someone, I'd always listen to her and try and help, isn't that what you do? Or is best just to pretend someone's feelings don't matter because it's easier on you?

This was the lightest example. Her ex-friend also forged my signature in order to steal £300k from me, I had to let it go because it was easier on her. She tried to tell me he was also kind.

OP posts:
Shinyandnew1 · 28/02/2026 17:02
  1. Why didn’t you just say to the BIL at the time/the next day/a week later…’when you said about a special price last week, what did you actually mean?’
  2. WTF. £300k? You’ve lost me here. That is a life changing amount of money-the cost of some people’s home. Wouldn’t you go to the police?!
Triskels · 28/02/2026 17:02

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:00

@Getofftheunicorn I am trying to make sense of what I could have done wrong so that it doesn't happen again. If she was upset by something or someone, I'd always listen to her and try and help, isn't that what you do? Or is best just to pretend someone's feelings don't matter because it's easier on you?

This was the lightest example. Her ex-friend also forged my signature in order to steal £300k from me, I had to let it go because it was easier on her. She tried to tell me he was also kind.

You're under no obligation to delegate dealing with hundreds of thousands of pounds of fraud to your wife!

Helpitsoutofshape · 28/02/2026 17:03

Shinyandnew1 · 28/02/2026 17:02

  1. Why didn’t you just say to the BIL at the time/the next day/a week later…’when you said about a special price last week, what did you actually mean?’
  2. WTF. £300k? You’ve lost me here. That is a life changing amount of money-the cost of some people’s home. Wouldn’t you go to the police?!

I can see why he didn’t want to cause issues with his wife’s sister and her husband particularly as his wife said she wanted to deal with it

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 17:03

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:00

@Getofftheunicorn I am trying to make sense of what I could have done wrong so that it doesn't happen again. If she was upset by something or someone, I'd always listen to her and try and help, isn't that what you do? Or is best just to pretend someone's feelings don't matter because it's easier on you?

This was the lightest example. Her ex-friend also forged my signature in order to steal £300k from me, I had to let it go because it was easier on her. She tried to tell me he was also kind.

Op, think I’d have led with this mysterious 300k and I don’t beleive someone stole 300 k from you and your wife said be kind and irs too much hassle, you’re clearly not wealthy

look it’s not going to happen again as they are your ex in-laws. You’re divorced

VoltaireMittyDream · 28/02/2026 17:04

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

WTF? If someone steals £300k from you you call the police, not ask your wife to handle it.

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 17:05

Shinyandnew1 · 28/02/2026 17:02

  1. Why didn’t you just say to the BIL at the time/the next day/a week later…’when you said about a special price last week, what did you actually mean?’
  2. WTF. £300k? You’ve lost me here. That is a life changing amount of money-the cost of some people’s home. Wouldn’t you go to the police?!

Apparently as his ex wife found it too much hassle and wanted to be kind.

Merryoldgoat · 28/02/2026 17:05

You ignored the theft of three hundred thousand pounds? You seriously expect us to believe that?

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:05

@Ponoka7 Her ex-friend forged my signature in order to steal £300k from me, I had to let it go because it was easier for her. I had to work and pay all my bills and hers because I could not for love or money get her to work. Some days she earnt no more than £13, I was working 12hour+ days. I was kind, understanding and considerate, it made no difference. I am not and have never been abusive but thank you.

OP posts:
Sunshineandgrapefruit · 28/02/2026 17:05

This is all so minor and happened so long ago so yes YABU.

BauhausOfEliott · 28/02/2026 17:06

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 16:52

To give some more context, this was the lightest issue. Another was having to let £300k go that her ex-friend forged my signature to steal because quite simply she thought it would be easier. The pattern was, my thoughts/feelings don't matter.

Your wife let her friend steal three hundred grand from you, and you thought a minor quibble with her brother over a €10 on a restaurant bill two years ago was the thing worth posting on Mumsnet about??

HotChocCreamAndMarshmallows · 28/02/2026 17:07

I don’t think the bill is the problem here.

You obsessed, ruminated and unhealthily clung on to ONE COMMENT for over TWO YEARS

Notsosweetcaroline · 28/02/2026 17:07

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:05

@Ponoka7 Her ex-friend forged my signature in order to steal £300k from me, I had to let it go because it was easier for her. I had to work and pay all my bills and hers because I could not for love or money get her to work. Some days she earnt no more than £13, I was working 12hour+ days. I was kind, understanding and considerate, it made no difference. I am not and have never been abusive but thank you.

13 a day, want cheap hols, and you could both afford to let 300k go.

Octavia64 · 28/02/2026 17:07

Peoplearesoweird · 28/02/2026 17:00

@Getofftheunicorn I am trying to make sense of what I could have done wrong so that it doesn't happen again. If she was upset by something or someone, I'd always listen to her and try and help, isn't that what you do? Or is best just to pretend someone's feelings don't matter because it's easier on you?

This was the lightest example. Her ex-friend also forged my signature in order to steal £300k from me, I had to let it go because it was easier on her. She tried to tell me he was also kind.

I wouldn’t always listen and try to help.

some people make drama out of bloody everything and if I’ve spent too long listening to them and know full well from experience they’ll refuse any help I don’t bother.

you should have either raised it at the time or left it.

you can however get divorced for any reason you like or even no reason at all, it’s not necessarily about you doing something “wrong”

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