This country is doomed

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While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

The problem is that if you have a majority of people who don’t work or couldn’t care less how the country is financed then the people actually paying tax will be effectively disenfranchised. The state can sequester people’s houses/savings/pensions - but this is short-termism as that money won’t last a year.

Its a by election? Hardly the arrival of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse.

The Greens used to just be the environment party, now it seems they're becoming the party of the ethnic minority.

It'll probably serve them well politically, but I fail to see how it'll do the country any good. I'm not sure how their policy of open door immigration and the mass house building that'll inevitably result in correlates with caring for the environment, but I suppose they no longer really care about that.

The Scottish Greens are clamouring for a wealth tax on anyone having assets over £1 million. That would include your house and pension pot.

But we desperately need a government that is for British people whatever their race, ethnicity or religion. Palestine is not a British issue. We need a better NHS, cohesive education and a thriving economy. These have to be our priority as a nation, surely?

I for one feel VERY disillusioned by ALL the parties .

I voted Labour in the GE as could not vote another Tory in. However, have been very saddened by the continuation of the too far left decisions that continue to be made !

Some, but not all-
Lifting the 2 child cap
The U turns they have made
NOT doing anything about the welfare cost - PIP
Tax, tax, tax on the middle earners
NHS waits and NO dentists

I WILL turn up in May (suffragettes etc) , but probably spoil my ballot paper !

It's more how many experienced competent people they would have to form a government in the extremely unlikely event that they won the GE. The danger (to me) is the Greens will split the votes in a lot of places and let reform in.

My point is that this has always been spouted for decades. I don’t why that needs explaining. This thread is so full of people throwing insults and accusing people of being ageist, anti-Semitic, anti-women. Is that all you guys have got? I know the anti Jewish thing worked with JC. Are you all trying it again in the hopes it will work on the Greens? Seems a bit desperate.

Greens support men in women’s safe spaces

I can’t vote them in

I’m always calling out ageism here (especially ageism against the young) but she didn’t say all old people think like that, and it’s been proven that people do become more fearful as they grow older, hence it’s part of people voting more conservative as they get older.

I think at this point we've seen that being an experienced politician doesn't mean competence. I'm more looking for integrity and anti-corruption than experience. I'm hoping it'll be the other way around, and Reform will split the right and let the Greens in!

Thank you Fraser!

I forgot about the walking out thing, it's just so pathetic. If you can't bear to hear a viewpoint you disagree with and would rather walk out of the room like a stropping teenager, you have no business being anywhere near politics IMO.

Showing such a level of disrespect to the people you were elected to serve, and treating an in person meeting like social media, walking out being the equivalent of the block button.

Robust debate, critical thinking and structured arguments have all but disappeared in favour of echo chambers where you have to agree with every viewpoint or you're evil incarnate

With lots of lovely policies that will cost billions.

And I can't see where they say how they'll pay for them

It’s terrifying

The Greens themselves will be undone hopefully at a GE when Reform may well take some seats. Let's not us be blind to both parties bring extreme. And many posters of all ages I'm guessing on this thread have shown that they are worried about the future. But you do you and carry on being ageist.

And that they parachuted in Goodwin. He’s pretty unlikeable even for voters on the right.

We probably should be worrying that reform can pick up that % of votes with a terrible candidate.

The greens in Scotland are loons. Why anyone would vote them is beyond my ken 😂

After reading that the Reform candidate stated that childless women should pay more tax he and his party can bog right off. Nice way to make women who for reasons beyond their control were unable to have children feel even more rubbish about their situation.

I posted 'not all older people'. HTH

Because it's the one on the agenda. Maybe the Greens have a stance on Sudan too, again a valid cause to support. Regardless of religion. I struggle to understand why that's controversial.

Palestine is of course a 'British issue' as our government are arming and supporting a genocide. And does genocide elsewhere in the world not bother ordinary people? It should do.

Clearly not bollocks. The returning officer said it didn’t happen. But the 2 pairs of people they were monitoring it all said it did happen. They saw it happening in 22 out of the 45 polling stations.

Signage to say that you can’t enter an occupied booth was not up in nearly half of the polling stations.

Someone was given a 2nd ballot paper after being marked as already voted.

Is the returning officer saying these people are liars
Is he saying that signage was there in all polling stations

What is the point of having monitoring if when something is seen to have occurred nothing is done about it

Maybe the green party has some ideas how to deal with the literal shitshow of our self regulated, foreign owned, privatised water companies. You would think such a pressing concern on our doorstep might be able to unite communities in their concern.

Grey water recycling as standard in new developments? Reed bed filtration barriers between farmland/new developments and watercourses?

Wouldn't it be nice to see a (cough) environmentally focused party fulfilling its remit.

I really like what I've seen of Hannah Spencer and I'm delighted she won the by election. We need more non-career politicians like her.

Do I think this will mean the Greens will have sweeping success at the next General Election? I doubt it, but it shows that a lot of left leaning people are looking for a different option to Labour. I hope it makes the other parties sit up and pay attention to what the Greens are saying that is resonating so much with millions of people.

I don't agree with every policy the Green party has, but I DO like their stance on decreasing inequality and tackling cost of living, renationalisation of energy and water, and regulating private business more effectively. All of which will potentially have positive environmental impacts too.

And importantly they offer hope! Reform is based on hate.