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This country is doomed

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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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KTheGrey · 27/02/2026 10:37

Wellthisisdifficult · 27/02/2026 09:07

This is very concerning and needs to be investigated and then maybe a re run
democracyvolunteers.org/major-concerns-over-family-voting-in-gorton-and-denton-poll/

It’s been reported in the ToL - moderately reliable source. The comments are deeply concerning. Smacks of the US elections in early 20th century - The Jungle by Upton Sinclair details the method, which has been updated by postal voting.

So that’s a pain because I will lose my vote if they actually make people show up singly to voting booths. So it goes.

KTheGrey · 27/02/2026 10:39

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 27/02/2026 09:07

We need the laugh emoji back precisely because all tripe like this deserves is derision and mockery.

Yes, Vote Green to live in an Islamist Theocracy led by an openly gay Jewish man.

😂

Ayatollah Polanksi, available for Bar Mitzvahs

Edited

He’s a man who thinks he can affect the size of women’s boobs with hypnosis and yet taken seriously in politics? Fabulous times.

nomas · 27/02/2026 10:39

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 10:30

I posted 'not all older people'. HTH

So did that poster you’re accusing of ageism?

Why the pass-agg HTH?

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 27/02/2026 10:41

MaturingCheeseball · 27/02/2026 08:36

I must admit I am depressed. Have people not looked at the Greens’ policies?

And the win yesterday - it was on Gaza. I can’t imagine any Muslim voter being in favour of any Green policy except one.

It’s all bizarre.

I think the very ‘homogenous’ (for want of a better word) voting on the part of Muslim population and their high level of voter turnout is an important factor here. And agreed, the Greens policies are frighteningly crazy)

Apparently in the 2019 election, 80% of all UK Muslims voted for Labour, providing 3 million of their votes they received. They won the 2024 election with 10 million votes (9,708,816 to be exact).

The author, Dr Parveen Akhtar, describes Muslim voting as a ‘bloc’ which also chimes with the many allegations of electoral fraud around religious leaders putting pressure on Muslim votes (one noteable conviction of this very hard to prove change for the Mayor of Tower Hamlets) and the reports from Gorton and Denton of a high level of ‘family voting’ - multiple people being in the voting booth with huge potential for coercion.

The disproportionate power of the ‘Muslim vote’ could sway parties. We have already seen Labour apparently bending over backwards to maintain third highly motivated Muslim support. Will they now go all in to regain those votes (pro Gaza, pro immigration, anti gay rights etc) from the Greens?

From the article:
Signs that the special relationship between Labour and Muslim voters was under strain emerged earlier in the year at the May 2024 local council, mayoral and police and crime commissioner elections across England and Wales.
Here the Labour Party support was down by eight points on the previous year in wards with Muslim populations of over 10%. Crucially, Labour lost control of Oldham council and lost their deputy leader in Manchester.
If Labour had hoped this was a local level protest vote which would not be replicated in the General Election, then it was a serious miscalculation. Local election losses were in fact amplified at the General Election where Labour lost 5 previously safe seats to independent candidates standing on a pro-Gaza platform in Leicester South, Dewsbury and Batley, Blackburn, Islington North, and Birmingham Perry Bar.
In other safe constituencies, the swing away from Labour was substantial and MPs were returned with dramatic declines in their majorities, including Wes Streeting, who won in Ilford North by just over 500 votes. The new Justice Secretary, Shabana Mahmood saw her share of the vote in Birmingham Ladywood decline by 40%.
In constituencies with the highest number of voters identifying as Muslim, Labour’s share of the vote fell sharpest. In the 21 seats where more than 30% of the population is Muslim, Labour’s share dropped by 29 percentage points from an average 65% in 2019 to 36% in 2024.
The relationship between Muslim voters and the Labour Party has been tested before on foreign policy during the 2003 War in Iraq. In a parliamentary by-election held in 2003, in northwest London (Brent East) the Liberal Democrats overturned a Labour parliamentary majority of 13,000 votes.
At the time, the Muslim population of Brent – over 12% of the Borough – voted against Labour because of military intervention in Iraq. The by-election represented a milestone; it was the first time that British Muslims had used a bloc vote at parliamentary level. This was repeated nine months later, when Muslims helped to overturn a 12,000 majority in a by-election in Leicester South, handing the constituency once again to the Liberal Democrats.
Exactly two decades later and, following a different Middle Eastern conflict, the constituency provided one of the shocks of election night when Jon Ashworth, a high-profile member of Labour’s shadow cabinet lost to the Independent pro-Gaza candidate Shockat Adam.

www.electionanalysis.uk/uk-election-analysis-2024/section-2-voters-polls-and-results/changing-pattern-amongst-muslim-voters-the-labour-party-gaza-and-voter-volatility/

adlitem · 27/02/2026 10:43

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 10:19

But we desperately need a government that is for British people whatever their race, ethnicity or religion. Palestine is not a British issue. We need a better NHS, cohesive education and a thriving economy. These have to be our priority as a nation, surely?

Lots of people care about global affairs, human rights and the politics surrounding that. To me that's right and important - it might not be to you. People's political priorities vary, that's how it works.

Hellohelga · 27/02/2026 10:43

Quine0nline · 27/02/2026 08:36

The debacle of the previous conservative governments did not endear themselves to voters. The current government may have done good things, but people see the u turns, the dithering, the Grey man.
The Greens have been around for awhile but apart from their coalition with the SNP briefly have no form.
Reform have been laughed at and scorned by the media and elite.
The issues with Andy Burnham gave non labour contenders a shoe-in.

Keep and eye on the Scottish election in May, and the English council elections as well for more definition. Yes, it's a battleground.

A good summary. I agree the current government have done good things but I feel like I’m the only one who thinks this.

TeamKenwood · 27/02/2026 10:47

I posted over on the other by-election thread in shock after finding out on BBC Radio 4 that the Greens want to legalise all drugs. Yes even the bad ones! However they seem more interested in Israel vs Palestine. Which rather sums up the by-election!

Zack Polanski at United Voice of the World in London after being announced as the new leader of the Green Party.

Green leader Zack Polanski backs legalisation of all drugs

Zack Polanski speaks to BBC South East on the party's new approach ahead of the party's conference.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20e20rzje2o

Skybunnee · 27/02/2026 10:48

Perhaps Greens are going to make a big comeback now the transgender bollox is sorted by new laws. They are unlikely to be able to come back and insist men can use women's services so - they are being voted for for their actual beliefs (ignoring Palestine which was never originally a green issue)

pocketpairs · 27/02/2026 10:49

MaturingCheeseball · 27/02/2026 08:36

I must admit I am depressed. Have people not looked at the Greens’ policies?

And the win yesterday - it was on Gaza. I can’t imagine any Muslim voter being in favour of any Green policy except one.

It’s all bizarre.

Another bigot stereotyping a minority groups, assuming everyone in that group is exactly the same, without considering differing education levels, life experiences.

Let me guess, you also think all black people like fried chicken?!

PropertyD · 27/02/2026 10:50

MaturingCheeseball · 27/02/2026 08:40

My issue with Green Party: they no longer give a flying wotsit about the environment. So they should get rid of the Green name.

They want to legalise all drugs with education on drug-taking starting a primary school.

Self-id without question, including in sport.

Open borders aim - but in the meantime welcoming to any migrant + family members, plus house and income provision.

You are right the Green party is not what they are about now. Polenski is like a cult leader especially for the younger people. He cleverly targetted the Muslim vote and Gaza and guess what - he won.

His other policies are completely bonkers. He was on the news earlier saying that a women had the right to become a sex worker if she wanted to. He also hates anyone with money. I can normally accept that we all have different political views. I can see how Reform has got to where its got but this lot? I am very puzzled.

Open borders - are they deluded? I really dont understand.

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 10:51

Hellohelga · 27/02/2026 10:43

A good summary. I agree the current government have done good things but I feel like I’m the only one who thinks this.

You're not the only one.

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Swiftie1878 · 27/02/2026 10:52

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 10:51

You're not the only one.

There aren’t many of you, tbh.

PropertyD · 27/02/2026 10:53

One person one vote is within the UK DNA. Why if there was family voting visble was it not stopped dead? Call it out, stop men going into booths with women or people crowding around one booth.

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 10:53

adlitem · 27/02/2026 10:43

Lots of people care about global affairs, human rights and the politics surrounding that. To me that's right and important - it might not be to you. People's political priorities vary, that's how it works.

Obv I care about global affairs but I reiterate, we need a government that deals primarily with issues I have mentioned that directly affects each and every one of us.

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Missohnoyoubetterdont · 27/02/2026 10:55

I’m actually in my 60s so thst pretty hilarious, almost as bad as a self-hating Jew but not quite. But You do you. If insults work for you. Sorry you guys are shitting a brick but nice to see everyone is a bit rattled. We need a shake up.

adlitem · 27/02/2026 10:56

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 10:53

Obv I care about global affairs but I reiterate, we need a government that deals primarily with issues I have mentioned that directly affects each and every one of us.

That's your view. I agree those things are important, but I also think international affairs and how the UK handles them are very important too. People's votes are swayed for all sorts of things.

Curious though, who do you think can provide the things you want? What way ought the "muslims" vote if they could just stop caring so much about genocide.

soddingspiderseason · 27/02/2026 10:57

PropertyD · 27/02/2026 10:53

One person one vote is within the UK DNA. Why if there was family voting visble was it not stopped dead? Call it out, stop men going into booths with women or people crowding around one booth.

If it had been seen by the polling station staff they would and should have intervened. Coercion is covered in ALL polling station training and is illegal. It may therefore not have been visible from the table where poll staff sit, and is an issue for polling station layout to make sure all the booths can be clearly seen.

pocketpairs · 27/02/2026 10:58

Let's be honest, the majority of anti-green posters here today are bigoted deformers. This wasn't a Gaza vote - those people left Labour in 2024 (just Google the opinion polls)

People voted Green (and Reform) , perhaps in protest, because they have had enough of the status quo, and particularly Labours missteps over past 18 months which impact the socio-economic demographic in the boroughs (donors gifts, winter fuel payments, 2 child benefit cap, Mandleson, etc)..

Kitte321 · 27/02/2026 10:58

It’s hugely worrying. if this indicates voter preference nationally it would point to a completely polarised electorate. The top two parties being extreme left wing vs the extreme right.
In the UK the population is generally regarded as quite centrist - I can only hope we remain there. But then the two main parties have so utterly and completely f**ked it that there isn’t much left to choose…🤦‍♀️

soddingspiderseason · 27/02/2026 10:59

Kitte321 · 27/02/2026 10:58

It’s hugely worrying. if this indicates voter preference nationally it would point to a completely polarised electorate. The top two parties being extreme left wing vs the extreme right.
In the UK the population is generally regarded as quite centrist - I can only hope we remain there. But then the two main parties have so utterly and completely f**ked it that there isn’t much left to choose…🤦‍♀️

Its a by election. The results are always outside of what usually happens at a general election.

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 11:00

Kitte321 · 27/02/2026 10:58

It’s hugely worrying. if this indicates voter preference nationally it would point to a completely polarised electorate. The top two parties being extreme left wing vs the extreme right.
In the UK the population is generally regarded as quite centrist - I can only hope we remain there. But then the two main parties have so utterly and completely f**ked it that there isn’t much left to choose…🤦‍♀️

Why is that worrying? The end of the two party system would be the definition of democracy.

TheKittenswithMittens · 27/02/2026 11:02

kalokagathos · 27/02/2026 08:48

I like greens a lot

Me too, cabbages, string beans, broccoli particuarly

BunfightBetty · 27/02/2026 11:02

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 10:14

You're surprised that I know a lot of people who intend to vote green, on a thread about how greens just won an election? Are you ok?

I'm surprised anybody thinks their policies are desirable and credible. I'm wondering if they're ok.

How have you satisfied yourself that their policies are costed and economically viable?

quantumbutterfly · 27/02/2026 11:02

randomchap · 27/02/2026 09:10

All countries are doomed.

Short to medium term

Environmental breakdown including soil degradation, loss of habitat, climate change, and pollution means that food will become scarce.

Resources such as oil and gas are rapidly being depleted

Population growth is unsustainable globally

AI will destabilise countries as bad actors will generate AI videos that are indistinguishable from reality in order to push their political aims

AI will destroy jobs

Happy Friday everyone

You're a little ray of sunshine on a rainy day 😁(Also right about overpopulation. My local green bod tells me it's racist to bring it up even though competition for resources and the lure of already developed economies with welfare safety nets is a big driver for migration. Hungry, energetic arrivals meet complacent indigenes...what could possibly go wrong? Still, it will only be a problem for those at the bottom of the heap right?)

MissyMooPoo2 · 27/02/2026 11:05

ExtraOnions · 27/02/2026 08:40

Who would have thought that Racist Rhetoric, and the demonisation of anyone none-white wouid be a vote loser with ethic minority groups?

Tactical voting to kept those racists out seems like a great idea.

I’m a Labour voter, but would have voted Green yesterday … send the Reform candidate back to London.

It’s not “sectarian voting” (nasty words from Reform), it’s “tactical voting”

This doesn't even make sense. If you are a Labour voter, vote Labour.