This country is doomed

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While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

Oh God, please don't tell us there are that many people who actually believe they'd be competent to form a government and lead the country?! Does nobody pay any attention to their economic plans, for one thing?

The Taliban certainly think so. As do certain people in the UK, it seems.

They'd swiftly fall from favour once people realised they'd be paying much higher taxes. Nobody wants to pay more tax.

But that's also why I don't think they'll be a genuine threat come the GE.

I shall politely and respectfully suggest that you need to be careful when simply parroting fables put out by the losers.

As we've seen with Trump many times, reaching immediately for the "it was rigged!" simply because the winner does not align with your particular ideology is directly out of the far-right playbook and not a position you want to be in.
You must show, demonstrably and provably, that your assertion - which we all know is nonsense - is in fact true.

I hope you're right.

I think they can take a sizeable chunk of Labour voters. That’s fine.

What is it about legalising all drugs that is so appealing to green voters?

Because Muslims (on the whole not all ) are very socially conservative,
Half all British Muslim people think homosexuality should not be legal for instance, 39% said a woman should always obey their husband.

Greens believe in legalising all drugs and environmental issues but you can’t help feeling they have sold their soul somewhat for votes, they campaigned on Gaza which they agree on but I feel there is a fight for the direction of the party which I used to support.

It is the beginning of sectarian politics in the UK.

Guardian poll of British Muslim attitudes

Yes, the collection of policies all together would very obviously be totally economically unfeasible. Hopefully that message lands with the electorate, but there are lots of people who don't have the first clue about finance or macro-economics.

I’m old and been hearing that the country is doomed since I was old enough to take an interest in politics.
Lots of people emigrated, but they soon came back.
The problem is these parties are too far left or right. That’s what I’m finding hard to get my head around. It’s just causing too much division.
I did like Hannah Spencer’s speech around working hard , she seems someone to look up to in that respect but a lot of the Green policies are just too radical for me. I can’t on board with this or Reforms more right wing ones. Politically homeless here and not the only one I suppose.

I agree @MissScarletInTheBedroom as I also feel that we went completely the wrong way with the Brexit vote and we are now isolated from Europe. Not that things are much better there. My partner is French and they have the Far Right (le Pen) against the Far Left (Mélenchon) fighting next year to become Président.

People who did not vote need a kick up the arse!

Come off it, it's an Islamophobic generalisation to make. And ridiculous.

And so what if they - and non-Muslims - voted based for them based on their stance on Palestine? There are worse causes to support than wanting your country to speak up against genocide.

"Reform have been laughed at and scorned by the media and elite"? Seriously? Reform only got where they are because they've been platformed by the media and bankrolled by the elite. They're lead by a public school former merchant banker who likes his photo taken grinning next to a convicted felon and rapist with a gold toilet and an immigrant wife in New York. Hardly a horny-handed son of toil, wouldn't you say? Ask Fiona Bruce about how many times the BBC have laughed at Reform, or how many times they've packed Question Time with people whose attitudes were last broadcast before the Suez Crisis, or how many times Farage has been on Radio 4 all the way back to 2014 when he didn't have a single MP in whichever brand of Alt-Reich he was trying to promote that week.

The Greens in Bristol have been awful - can’t wait to try and get them out next election. Like a PP said they’re no longer bothered about the environment, there was a news story last week about them cutting down three healthy mature trees in the Centre, plus they refuse to debate women’s issues and walk out of meetings instead.

You might not, but it seems others do. The people demanded more choice and got it. Now we have to see what the people do with all that choice at the ballot box!

They still very much prioritize the environment among other issues (and if you think inequality and environment aren't related then you're past help) - no idea why you would think that.

I don't fully agree with their drugs stance - but at least they have one. Legalising drugs and actually looking at evidence based solutions to drug problems worked pretty well in Portugal when it was properly funded. In my local town centre the place is absolutely rife with crack heads, and that's while drugs are illegal - we definitely need a new approach to this huge and growing problem which is also driving thousands of young vulnerable teens into county lines. What are other parties' proposed solutions?

It's the comment you made about older people thinking the world is coming to an end. That is ageist. In any case, not all older people.

I see this as a message to Labour to stop trying to out Reform Reform!

If people want to make immigration their only issue then leave them to it.

Labour need to focus on a hopeful message for young people regarding jobs, training, housing etc.

Why that one situation and not the situation in Sudan? Or any other conflict zone in the world?

Doomed we're all doomed...

You're surprised that I know a lot of people who intend to vote green, on a thread about how greens just won an election? Are you ok?

Also a valid choice. But if you had to vote to prevent one of those coming into power?

Honestly Labour and the Conservatives deserve this. For far too long they've taken people's votes for granted. Now the safe seats aren't safe anymore and they're actually going to have to try to appeal to the electorate. Yes, even the segments of it that they like to look down on.

Otherwise next general election we end up with a Green government and Reform in opposition, or vice versa. If that happens, it's because nobody offered a better alternative.

I've heard very very little what is "green" about the Greens. The environment seems to have gone out of the window.

Also not a fan of the way they'd like no holds barred, self id for pervert men to enjoy unfettered access to single sex women and girls spaces.

Captain Hypno-tits gives me the creeps also, he just seems so smarmy. Don't know why, but even if that's just me judging his mannerisms etc, the hypnosis your boobs thing is just eurgh.