This country is doomed

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While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

This is absurd. I'm in my 50s and I have voted for both labour and the Snp in my life. No point in voting tactically where I live as its one or the other in my area. I'm not part of THE left. I have my own opinions. I didn't agree with all Labours policies when I voted for them and ditto snp but I would rather vote than not

I don't like Blair either - I think he's a fucking war criminal. But the hill I will die on - is not being lumped in with the "left". Just because I'm not right wing

I also believe it or not get off my arse and campaign for the party I vote for. I try and make a difference

There has been immigration for decades. It was fine when the UK needed immigrant labour in the 50s.

My family are Irish. They came over here in the 60s due to the troubles. No Blacks. No Irish. Do we really want to go down that path again?

My mum had melanoma in 2017. An immigrant surgeon saved her life - he went home a few years ago

So Farage thinks
the Muslim women were about to vote Reform and then Muslim men stopped them? And coerced them into voting for the white woman and gay Jewish guy ?
i can see why he thinks it should be investigated, Reform policies align with the average Muslim SAHM in Greater Manchester

Lol, I'd vote for them and got my degree many many many moons ago!

Just a thought, maybe Greens message of hope got them votes.

Look at OP's title 'doomed', so fucking sick of the wringing of hands of Reform, boats, migrants, rapists young men. Then Labour and Lib Dems wringing their hands on the grifter Farage.

Greens are winning people over because they offer something other than rolling around in misery saying how screwed the country is.

Amazing what PR and a photogenic face can achieve.

And Farage is just so fucking appealing....

If the Greens do come to power, we will be able to get a nice stash of LSD, Mushrooms, crack or skunk and pretend it isn't happening.

Arf.

Lib Dems will legalise weed. So there are alternatives.

The greens used to bang on about bringing birth rates down and have gone a bit quiet there. Mind you, if you give kids puberty blockers then cross sex hormones it will achieve a similar thing.
Other accepted wisdom is that educating and empowering women tends to do it, but maybe they've done the maths on cost effectiveness.
Matey girl in Denton sounds promising and as long as she's effective at local level it's all good. Time will tell.

I find Polanski creepy in the same way I find David Walliams creepy. They're all teeth and smiles but they're somehow dead behind the eyes. Farage is similar ironically.

Do you think taxing women for not having children is good for women?

I don’t like all of Reform’s policies, but I would be a LOT more worried about life in the UK if the Greens ever got into power. They are far more extreme than Reform. I can’t understand why anyone with children who have any care for their kids future would ever wish to vote the Greens in.

Yes, there has been immigration for decades. It worked once. And now it doesn’t. Just because something was okay decades ago, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t revisit the issue now that it’s become untenable. We have AI marching into the 21st century which will all but squeeze out many jobs. It’s already being reflected in unemployment on the increase. We have increasing numbers claiming benefits. More people entering the country who are only suitable for unskilled jobs, which are fast disappearing. It doesn’t take a genius to see how this will pan out. We will soon be in the perilous position of unemployment through the roof, with more people coming into the UK, with more people taking out than putting in. Our entire infrastructure will collapse, and still people will shriek out ‘all welcome’. Utter madness.

I guess The Donald has just pissed on Zack's chips.

The people voting for the Greens aren’t looking at their other policies, other than open borders and support of the Palestinians. I suppose a bit like Reform. Extremist parties will lure people in with their headline stuff which they can exploit, but then have absolutely ridiculous other policies in the small print. I think even the lefties on this thread don’t really want open borders or for millions to be diverted to overseas issues in Gaza, but they are happy to see Labour punished, so are being blinkered as to the true picture of what life would be like under a Green lead government.

It’s not unskilled jobs getting squeezed out by AI. It’s a raft of white collar jobs.

People who think immigration is something that has only happened in the last couple of decades, need to educate themselves

This country has been multi-cultural for Centuries, Millenia even.

This “British culture” people bang on about is a hodge-podge of wider European traditions. No culture (unless they have not been exposed to outside influences) has developed in isolation.

We have always been a place of Refuge, for people suffering religious and political persecution. Economic migration is not new.

…and maybe if we hadn’t invaded large parts of the world and imposed our langague, laws, and religion, maybe people would be less likely to want to move here.

The country is no more doomed now, due to immigration, than when 50,000 French Huguenots moved here in the 17th Century, 90,000 Jewish Refugess moved here prior to WW2, and the 6,000,000 of Irish Descent.

There are more Catholics than Muslims (including myself) and no one is up in arms about us, and beliefs are very similar to Islam.

You can offer to take the kids to Disneyland and everyone can get excited and be really happy.

It's a bit shit though when the reality is you thought the £200 for five holiday to Disneyland was too good to be true, but you paid for it anyway and now you can't get your money bank because the conman running the website has fucked off.

The Green will turn out to be like this.

I'm so glad it's not just me.

There are more Catholics than Muslims (including myself) and no one is up in arms about us, and beliefs are very similar to Islam

Can you explain?

It clarifies that there’s no point to them. They say they reported their concerns to poll clerks, the poll clerks say they didn’t. If they can’t report their concerns to the police and they can’t collect evidence, why have them in the first place?

Brava.

Agree, but that means the job market will contract with less vacancies for everyone, which means less tax collected. The migrants, arriving will have more "needs" such as health care, education and housing and there will be hardly any working people to pay for it all.

The Greens solution to tax the wealthy and companies would be fantastic, if it had even a small chance of working, but it won't. The large corporates will relocate, look at the success of Ireland because Corporation tax is low. The UK no longer has such a pull factor for companies and higher taxation makes it even less feasible. This is the sad reality.

The original Green manifesto was about simple living, reducing people's need for spending, using the Earths finite resources which they recognised wouldn't fly with consumerism so ditched that to selling a dream.

Labour are trying a Greens "lite" policy, tax more (increases in NI) and the economy has responded negatively and quickly by high unemployment.

I don't have the answer but the Greens agenda isn't it...I wouldn't trust Reform either. There is a reason the UK bounced between more centre parties for generations!

Mixed feelings here. I'm glad they won rather than Reform, but I would not want the country to be run by the Green party in its current iteration - too extreme on the left rather than the right.