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While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

Who have been voting for thr Greens?

Do you have a break down?

The dedicated migration department they propose setting up.

Why does a certain demographic think the rules of law don’t apply to them?

Translation: how dare Muslims vote.

How will that differ from the Home Office?

Does it matter? They will have a department managing immigration. No open borders.

Yay, facists following Trumps play book "racism for dummies". If you lose an election, claim it was stolen due to fraud and flood the zone with this narrative.

It really is pathetic.

Of course it matters!

That wasn’t what you said. You said a certain demographic thinks the rule of law doesn’t apply to them.

And you seem to be very hesitant about specifically naming that demographic. Presumably because you know you will (rightly) get deleted for tarring an entire group with that.

A name matters? Why?

Nope. But vote within the law. Voting is done by individuals in secret, hence voting booths for privacy. You should not march people from your family into voting booths and mark their crosses for them. People who vote should not be coerced - it’s the law. Simple as that.

It's not the name. It's why would they get rid of the department that currently deals with immigration and put in another department to deal with immigration.

To separate it from other Home Office functions. What’s the problem?

Do you have any evidence for this bold claim?

Or are you displaying sourness at not getting the result you wanted?

So extra cost incurred for creating another civil service department. Guess that makes sense. Not.

Don’t worry. Investigations won’t be carried out if there’s no proof. However, if there is widespread proof of potential fraud, then surely you’d agree it needs looking into? As it stands, allegations have been made. 🤷‍♀️

Well, I actually agree with that but my point was that they will have a department dealing with immigration and there will be no open borders.

The welcoming committee?

If there was proof obviously but there isn’t any. It’s just allegation.

There would be some rules about who can live and work here, but they seem far less strict than the current ones. So logically we could expect much higher levels of immigration, which is good/bad thing depending on your politics.

There have been allegations prompting initial investigations. I genuinely hope there has been no fraud. If no fraud is found, then absolutely nothing to see here, and the result stands. I think we can all agree that’s the outcome we’d like to see - that everything is above board. We don’t want to become a third world voting system which sees a blind eye turned to keep the peace do we ?

Muslims are not a race. Islam is a religion not an ethnicity

Didn’t we do that when voter id that favoured older voters was introduced? State sponsored election fraud.

That statement makes no sense.

The whole point is to investigate an allegation to look for evidence.

Why was it not reported as it was happening so evidence could be gathered? Why wait until there was little possibility of evidence before announcing it to the world? When were the police called?
These are apparently part of official observers so presumably have some training on reporting this crime, so why didn't they?

Anyone can make allegations about pretty much anything after the fact. The evidence makes it more believable. This is just nonsense currently.

Age is not a reliable measure of opinion, believing that it is, that's the very definition of ageism.

Democracy Volunteers are widely regarded as impartial, they are Europe's largest electoral monitoring body and cover elections both in the UK and abroad.

Democracy Volunteers did indeed report incidents of family voting to polling booth officials at the time. What the polling booth officials do with that information is up to them.

Democracy Volunteers did not go public with their concerns about family voting whilst the election was live as they are not legally allowed to, as a neutral observer.

They did go public with the information on family voting as soon as the polls closed and when they were legally allowed to do so.

I find it curious that some posters believe that Democracy Volunteers were biased or had been influenced by one party or another. If Democracy Volunteers were influenced to come out with allegations of electoral irregularities then you would think that they would do it for a more important election for example a Presidential election in France rather than a by election in Manchester.