To wonder why right wingers such sore losers?

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Whether it’s Trump crowing about elections being stolen (although not those he actually won) and Farage moaning about “sectarian voting and cheating” in Denton and Gorton, why can’t they just take a defeat on the chin? You win some, you lose some. Congratulate the winner, reflect, and then move on to the next one.

Apparently a Muslim guy interviewed in the BBC confirmed that’s how he does it in his family.

A monitoring charity saw ‘family voting’ in many different locations.

The Police are now affirming what the RO has said, in that they haven't received a single complaint of any impropriety whatsoever in the G&D by-election.

The police also had a presence at every polling place according to the RO's spokesperson, so there should have been adequate opportunity to report any illegality witnessed, especially so since DV are claiming they attended dozens of specific polling places.

All a bit odd then that if they witnessed it on the scale that they are claiming, they felt it wasn't necessary to report it to any of the people responsible for overseeing the voting and upholding the law.

Do you suppose the Police are lying about this as well?

Yes, it’s a rather unexpected choice isn’t it. Where do their ideals line up? Apart from the pro Gaza/Islamist line from the Greens? I can’t imagine that too many Muslims are very pro legalising drugs and attacking private landlords. I suppose they’ve got Mothin Ali?

Also odd that George Galloway’s very pro Muslim/Gaza party decided not to field a candidate. Odd until you read the strategy from Ayoub Khan below.

Six MPs won seats as independent candidates last July: Khan, Shockat Adam, Adnan Hussain and Iqbal Mohamed, along with Jeremy Corbyn and former DUP member, Alex Easton. Apart from the latter, all were won from Labour. Soon after the election, the five MPs from English constituencies formed a Commons group but have not yet become a formal political party.

Khan says he is in discussions with “a lot of” MPs who are entertaining the idea of joining the group. “Watch this space,” his press officer, who is keen to chip in throughout the interview, tells The House.

Next year’s local elections will include parts of Birmingham and other cities and towns with large Muslim populations. Khan is explicit that one purpose of a party would be to stop the anti-Labour vote splintering.

“Although you will have many Independent candidates standing, my focal point is to ensure that we don’t have multiple Independent candidates standing and splitting votes,” Khan says.

“My prime focus is ensuring that I can support the right candidates across the city of Birmingham. I will be looking at what they stand for, what they represent, are they advocating for fairness, equality and justice.”

At the next general election, in 2028 or 2029, Khan sees all Labour MPs in Birmingham being at “very high risk” of losing their seats.

“I’m fairly confident that we could see the loss of Shabana Mahmood, Tahir Ali, Jess Phillips, Liam Byrne and even Preet Kaur Gill. I can certainly see Independents getting those seats,” he claims.
Many Muslim candidates have run on a Gaza-Green ticket at local elections. Green councillor Mothin Ali, upon winning his ward in 2024, shouted “Allahu Akbar” and said the result was a “win for the people of Gaza”. (He later apologised.) But there are key political differences between the Green Party’s social liberalism and the more conservative views held by some of the Independent Alliance MPs.

The Greens have long been proponents of LGBTQIA+ rights, for example, and were early proponents of same-sex marriage. Asked if he supports that, Khan says: “My personal opinion as a Muslim is well-known. You only have to look at what other Muslims believe, what’s taught.” He adds that he would not dictate what people do in their personal lives.

‘Free mixing’ between men and women in some public spaces is another issue that has been raised by socially conservative Muslims such as Maheen Kamran, an 18-year-old elected as a Lancashire councillor in May. She told PoliticsHome her area could have “segregated areas, segregated gyms, where Muslim women don’t have to sacrifice their health”.

www.politicshome.com/news/article/ayoub-khan-lots-of-mps-in-talks-over-joining-independent-group

I have see this copied and pasted on other threads, did Zia draft this and commanded it to be seminated far and wide?

Also would love some more female only spaces.

We’ve even had people interviewed on the tv who have admitted ‘family voting’ so the police claiming they haven’t received any complaints of impropriety isn’t the same as no impropriety occurring.

In a community where due to repeated first cousin marriage, vast proportions of the population are family, and the voting may be taking place inside a mosque (some polling stations are indeed mosques), who is going to report the impropriety?

Her “portfolio” - from what I’ve read it consists of two properties. That’s quite some “portfolio”.

Same reason left wingers are such sore losers.

No-one likes to lose hey?

Which “monitoring charity” was this

That was me. I think it joins some dots - have you read the article?

I’m not sure that enforced sex segregation for religious purposes is quite the pleasant idea you may imagine.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz0x70rx2jdo?app-referrer=deep-link

Come back after May elections for the threads then.

Well presumably the people who are claiming they witnessed it, and the people who are apparently hopping mad at the assertion it was going on.

Except, they seem not to have bothered, which is odd considering the amount of noise they are making about it.

Of course they would, they wouldn’t have their job for long if they weren’t.

@Everanewbie "A few barmy old bishops that no one really listens to"

Bishops sit in the House of Lords.

Nonsense look up "Democracy Volunteers" it was founded by John Ault a Liberal Democrat. They are INDEPENDENT ...you can remove the bacofoil hat

Hopefully the Greens will do well in the locals. Plaid and SNP should do well in the nationals. Tories are dead in the water, but Reform obviously still very much a danger

Are you a regular follower of the work of Democracy Volunteers?

I remember when the first votes were coming in on Brexit night. They were for remain overwhelmingly to begin with.
Farage was on record saying he’d call foul if Brexit didn’t happen! No good grace there from him.

The Greens might further erode Labour which I’m happy about.

There’ll be more turquoise going by the electoral maps and areas who have got the vote back.

And everyone who doesn’t like Reform will take it as well as this thread suggests.

I’m not sure voting for people based on their looks is very sensible.

She thinks men can become women and blamed Matt Goodwin for the Manchester bombing. Not the brightest clearly.

The allegations of family voting should be investigated if there is evidence. Or misuse of postal voting.

However, no comment was made at the previous by-election which Reform won by a small margin.

Agree with those who say it is populists who are complainers and man babies.

Starmer seems to be having a bit of a temper tantrum - is he ‘right wing’ as well now?

From the Telegraph:

In his letter, Sir Keir said the Greens’ true colours had been revealed during their by-election campaign.
Claiming the Green party could not succeed nationally, the Prime Minister said: “We will continue to warn of the risk the Greens pose: the risk of extreme policies like legalising all drugs and pulling out of Nato that most voters strongly reject, and the risk of splitting the progressive vote so that Reform come through the middle.”
Sir Keir went on to accuse the party of capitalising “on an endorsement from George Galloway to win over enough voters to push them over the line”.
Mr Galloway’s Workers Party, which received a 10 per cent vote share in 2024, decided not to field a candidate in the by-election.
The Green Party has also been accused of manipulating Gorton’s Muslim vote after it published leaflets in Urdu urging residents to “punish Labour for Gaza”.

I don’t think publishing in Urdu is a problem.

And how is that different to the small boats rhetoric.

She didn’t blame Goodwin for it at all. He twisted her words - she blamed Reform for whipping up division and tarring all brown people with the same brush. It’s a bit different, isn’t it?

Labour deserves to be eroded if it doesn't get its act together and stop chasing the Reform vote. Reform might do well locally, but the game's up for them on a national level.

This is such a good day for many of us left leaning people. I am really warming to Polanski, he has dealt with the media brilliantly. I also really liked Spencer's speech. It reminded me of Harry Perkins' speech. I think she could go far.

‘The game’s up on a national level’ - how are you so certain?

It’s a good day here. I’m happy for anyone to beat Labour and think Polanski did well with the media and picked a blinder for a candidate with Hannah.