To wonder why right wingers such sore losers?

[Sparklespecs]

Whether it’s Trump crowing about elections being stolen (although not those he actually won) and Farage moaning about “sectarian voting and cheating” in Denton and Gorton, why can’t they just take a defeat on the chin? You win some, you lose some. Congratulate the winner, reflect, and then move on to the next one.

I've always voted Labour and I'm delighted by the Gorton and Denton result. Matt Goodwin's comments in defeat about "a coalition of Islamists and woke progressives" are everything we've come to expect from Reform, and scarily reminiscent of the rhetoric we're seeing from across the pond. A defeat for Labour, yes. Also a rejection of Reform as the only alternative protest vote.

Right wingers = right whingers

Postal voting fraud. People breaking the law to vote in the same booth. Always happens in these far left constituencies.

Interesting that Farage is describing this win "a victory for sectarian voting".

His main beef appears to be that a lot Muslim voters chose to elect a relatively young white non-muslim woman standing for a party that is led by a gay Jewish leader.

It doesn’t matter who you support, the secret ballot electoral system should be paramount. Postal votes unless someone is provably housebound should be stopped.

Furthermore this by-election has given a worrying foretaste of sectarian voting - ie voting along religious grounds. If the Green candidate had not been Gaza Gaza Gaza and they had selected a trans person campaigning on legalising all drugs they’d have got 25 votes.

@Sparklespecs , as @ClovisWrites says the concerns about illegal voting practices were raised by an independent body. Don’t you think we should all be concerned about this?

Ah the irony ,
I remember all those elections Labour lost
And the many many threads on here with labour voters taking it with such grace😂🤣

‘Even Sky….’

No shit Sherlock.

Oh come on, the cope from the left after the 2019 GE was quite something to behold. Claiming that one as side is worse than the other is nonsense. People on the same side can react very differently to defeat. Penny Mordaunt was mature and dignified in her defeat but Liz Truss behaved like a petulant child after the last election.

Focusing on the Titanic rather than the deckchairs, how do you feel about the Greens winning, and Labour coming third?

Yeah I think the moaning is valid.

From bbc:
An election observer group has claimed its team witnessed "concerningly high levels" of family voting in the Gorton and Denton by-election.

Family voting is an offence that can be committed when a person casting a ballot in an election is joined in a polling booth by someone who intends to influence how they vote.

Electoral law protects the secrecy of ballots in polling stations.

Democracy Volunteers said they attended 22 of the 45 polling stations in the constituency, spending 30 to 45 minutes in each.

The group said it had seen family voting in 15 of the 22 polling stations observed.

The group said they observed a sample of 545 individuals casting their vote and saw 32 cases of family voting in total, including nine cases in one polling station.

John Ault, director of Democracy Volunteers, said: "Today we have seen concerningly high levels of family voting in Gorton and Denton.

"Based on our assessment of today's observations, we have seen the highest levels of family voting at any election in our 10-year history of observing elections in the UK.

"We rarely issue a report on the night of an election, but the data we have collected today on family voting, when compared to other recent by-elections, is extremely high.

"In the other recent Westminster parliamentary by-election in Runcorn and Helsby we saw family voting in 12% of polling stations, affecting 1% of voters.

"In Gorton and Denton, we observed family voting in 68% of polling stations, affecting 12% of those voters observed."

Sorry I don’t understand what your point is here? Are you saying it didn’t happen/ it’s a conspiracy… what?

They're all kinda proving my point by jumping on me 😂

And just to clarify Im a lefty that voted remain!

Why must you turn this forum into a house of lies?

I find some of the reports concerning. I don't care whether people voted for Greens, Labour or Reform.

I do care about the integrity of the vote however, and hope this can be thouroughly investigated. Any illegal voting activity is very dangerous.

What independent body? They were raised by political observers at the polling station.

I don’t think either side of the political spectrum are particularly gracious losers, when the northern red wall came down, it wasn’t took with grace, lots of rather insulting language was used around that.

Labour is also asking for investigation.

…so all of the Election officers, at all the Polling stations colluded with (radical) Muslims, to stop Reform from getting an MP

Or

“Democracy Volunteers” an organisation founded, and supported by a Conservative Peer, sent 4 volunteers to Gorton, who have made some vague claims.

The right wing have a massive amount of entitlement, and an inflated opinion of themselves.

Focusing on the Titanic is a GE result. I’m reaching the point of “anything but Reform” so I’m perfectly happy this morning. I think the days of two party politics are gone.

I would like to know a lot more detail about what they actually observed.

If they are talking about families just arriving at the polling station together and casting their votes at the same time, then I genuinely can't see any reason why that would be a cause for concern. Even if pressure is being exerted on individuals to vote in a certain way, they can do what they like in the privacy of the ballot box.

If they're talking about individuals actually going into the ballot box with family members, denying them any privacy with regard to how they vote, and co-ercing them to vote for a particular candidate, then that is obviously a major concern and must be taken very seriously indeed.

But are we really to believe that electoral officials at 15 out of 22 polling stations sat by and allowed this kind of co-ercive behaviour to happen without raising any concerns? That seems astonishing to me, and rather hard to believe.

So I would like to know more detail about what this group actually observed and what specific evidence they collected.

I'm going to need a source for this, and to understand how you define a constituency as far left. I lived in a place where UKIP and later Reform did ok, but I wouldn't have called it a far right constituency.

This shows that the observers do not understand the area.

It is absolutely normal for Muslim families to live in multi generational households and go to vote together. You will see more family outings to vote in areas with a high Muslim population.

In some of those families there may be pressure to vote in a certain way. But it's not right to assume that only happens in Muslim families or that going to the polling station together is the same thing as forced family voting.

Thanks you. I just read that and questioned myself.

Do tell, do you think Brexit has been an unalloyed success? Can you give concrete examples of the benefits it has brought to offset the undoubted harm it has done to the economy?