To wonder why right wingers such sore losers?

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Whether it’s Trump crowing about elections being stolen (although not those he actually won) and Farage moaning about “sectarian voting and cheating” in Denton and Gorton, why can’t they just take a defeat on the chin? You win some, you lose some. Congratulate the winner, reflect, and then move on to the next one.

Nobody had heard of Democracy Volunteers before today and now they're being presented as an authority. Feels a bit sus to me!

I would be interested to hear from people who believe the Democracy Volunteers claims whether they went through any research or reasoning process first, and if so what that was.

Hmm, that's odd. You said you were concerned with "sectarian socially ultra conservative theological influence" and reform's top team are all known to be heavily linked to socially ultra conservative theological influences, albeit Christian ones, so why would they make sense to you?

I dont know anything much about the new Green MP but after hearing Polinski on Question Time a few weeks ago if she really does have properties worth over £1m she would be right in line for him to tax her - after all she is one of 'them'.

Now she is in the spotlight she will be investigated again and again and lets hope for her sake she has answers.

If Democracy volunteers were on the ground and saw family voting then why the hell didnt they tell anyone. Its a bit blooming late now its all over.

Simple. Right wingers are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories.

What a dick comment

Yeah, I avoid reading anything about Reform if l can.

Erm, have you forgotten the insurrection on January 6th?? A deranged right-wing mob broke into the Capitol and denounced the election as “stolen”.

Can you give examples of when left-wing voters have rioted after an election?

Posters stating with great authority that that voters were breaking the rules at polling stations, yet no one has any evidence, and no one has reported anything to the police. So let’s stop spreading misinformation, because at it’s nothing but desperate wild claims. And no actually there was no “independent”’ observers that made this complaint, and as I stated there has been no official report of election fraud.

Oh and the racism on this thread is disgusting but sadly the norm now on mumsnet.

Christian fundamentalists do not strike me as nearly as concerning as Muslim fundamentalists. Do you know what sharia proscribes for apostasy or adultery? A few barmy old bishops that no one really listens to are the least of our concerns with the left wing populist movement that somehow has become vehicle for Islam to gain power.

Thanks 😁

Trump is a born scrapper, he'd argue with his shadow. Farage is correct to refer to any suspicion of voting impropriety.

Beyond that, I think your observation is borne solely of your own bias? Particularly when research suggests that conservatives generally report a higher level of meaning and life satisfaction than those of the left.

Take a look at what's happening in certain US States where the Christo-fascists are running riot.

Before you highlight that the UK is not the US, I'll just remind you that the Reform lot are aping absolutely everything MAGA has said and done over the past while, including the "Christian values" stuff, and are openly stating they will destroy existing Equalities legislation and pull the UK from the ECHR.

Islamic or Christian demagoguery, its neither here nor there because both are equally as undesirable, but the latter is an order of magnitude more likely and more realistic in the UK.

Yes, and it's depressing to see replacement conspiracy theory running rampant on here now and allowed to stand.

The press will look into Ms Spencer’s financial affairs and assets with a fine tooth comb. I expect that a few articles will appear in the next few weeks about her portfolio and there will be a huge smear campaign around her. She will be completely torn to shreads for being a woman , a Green MP and having some assets.
I hope that she’s ready for the scrutiny.

Well I suppose it stands to reason that people who are satisfied with life are going to want things to stay the same and be (small C) 'conservative', doesn't it? But when we're referring to 'the right' here, we're talking about people who are stirring up a lot of anger about the way things are and are proposing some quite radical changes. The constant rabble rousing of Reform and the aggressive call and response with its supporters don't speak to me of a higher level of meaning and satisfaction with life.

And the presiding officer would be independent on this??

In terms of rabble rousing I admittedly couldn't identify by sight anyone from Reform besides for Farage, Tice and Yusuf. All three have however been very mild mannered whenever I have saw them speak.

Trump references/comparisons are somewhat snarky (lazy?) taunts, because the nature of politics in America is very different to the UK.

If the PO says they made no mention of it while it was happening, I'd be inclined to accept that as fact since it would be relatively easy for either DV to have recorded themselves in the act, or for anyone else present at the time to confirm it was indeed raised.

So absent of anyone coming forward to contradict the PO I see no reason to doubt them.

Seems inconceivable that a self-appointed monitor would witness impropriety at a polling station, allegedly on a significant scale and at more than one venue, and yet not mention it at all to anyone present, or record it happening, or give any specifics aside from "we saw it happening". I mean, if I put myself in their shoes, I'm going to be making a pretty significant claim, so damn straight I'm going to make sure I can produce something of substance to ward off claims I'm simply making it up to suit an agenda.

Maybe because they are “observers” it’s not their job to intervene- just report what they see. I’d be inclined to believe an independent observer rather than someone who might be presiding over an election which broke the rules.

I haven't mentioned Trump. When I speak of the left and the right I'm referring exclusively to uk politics. I don't find US definitions of left and right and other political terminology at all helpful when discussing UK politics.
The individuals you nention may well mind their manners. However, in the UK the 'right' also includes many even more unsavoury characters, from Tommy Robinson to the thugs burning down hotels to the people in a state of rage because of 'the boats'. They never seem particularly satisfied by the higher meaning of life to me.

Interestingly, there's nothing to say they're independent. The Electoral Commission doesn't appear to require that as part of the application process to become accredited observers either.

It requires very little to get this role. I assume they applied as an organisation.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/observing-elections-and-referendums/apply-be-accredited-organisation-or-submit-additional-names

So they have to confirm they've read the Code of Practice. No checks. And provide contact details plus how long they want their accreditation to last for. It's hardly a rigorous process.

But my guess is you're not the only person who thought those doing this role had to be independent.

https://democracyvolunteers.org/

Ah yes how sectarian of them to have voted for a gay, Jewish man’s party. Honestly the lengths people will go to hate on Muslims.

Yes exactly! All these posters trotting out their racist stereotypes of Muslims (who they always assume are all Islamic extremists), yet the person that won was a blonde woman from a party run by a gay Jewish man!