To wonder why right wingers such sore losers?

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Whether it’s Trump crowing about elections being stolen (although not those he actually won) and Farage moaning about “sectarian voting and cheating” in Denton and Gorton, why can’t they just take a defeat on the chin? You win some, you lose some. Congratulate the winner, reflect, and then move on to the next one.

No-one can be certain of anything. But that is my opinion. Four national by-elections. One win, by only six votes.

I am glad that you are happy too. Hannah Spencer and Zack Polanski are uniting the UK. 😊 🥂

I can’t say I won’t feel similarly if Labour get trounced in the other direction in May, and if they do
everyone will take it very well as this thread suggests.

But yes they did well. Good on them. They can rightly enjoy a successful campaign.

Polls suggest people would be willing to vote them into National government so I don't know why you think otherwise.

One swallow does not make a summer. I would wager that in most places Reform are more likely to be voted into power than the Greens. Speaking of my own area, we are currently a marginal Labour seat but the Greens have literally no chance here. I think they will only win in very left leaning areas that are fed up of Labour. How many of those are there though?

I thought all of this was weirdly familiar and realised that Labour led by Corbyn had similar success in similar campaigns.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/jeremy-corbyn-hails-strong-labour-party-after-resounding-by-election-win/a/118785997.html

A cautionary tale perhaps?

They’re likely to be voted in anywhere where they have the best chance of beating Reform. That applies to all the parties. The polls don’t reflect the depth of fear and hatred the prospect of a Reform government inspires. If you thought you saw tactical voting in action in 2024 to get the Tories out you ain’t seen nothing yet. It’ll be on steroids to keep Reform out in 2029.

NO, Nigel is modelling himself on Nigel.
His dad was a gentleman, from what I heard from a friend who worked in the city.

The Green Party are equally polarising though. Lots of people simply won't vote for them even if they don't support Reform either. There radical policies are unlikely to have mass appeal and won't be seen as better than Reform for many people.

The Green Party are equally polarising though. Lots of people simply won't vote for them even if they don't support Reform either. There radical policies are unlikely to have mass appeal and won't be seen as better than Reform for many people.

That’s why I think there’s a strong possibility of a coalition government post 2029. The days of two party politics are numbered. Which is a very healthy sign for real democracy.

Always happy to educate, Democracy Volunteers are the only people the Government allows in polling stations (apart from the polling station staff, the police and of course the voters). They are politically neutral and accredited by the Electoral Commission.

They are Europe's leading election observation organisation working in both UK and abroad.

Now if you are saying that they are not politically neutral or have been influenced that begs the question of why they would choose to be biased and risk their important neutral credibility in a small by election in the north of the UK rather than say the national election in Kazakhstan?

https://fullfact.org/politics/democracy-volunteers-family-voting/

I think it’s because they’re massive cunts

His dad killed a man when he was drink driving

Indeed. Also, because of FPTP the distribution of votes matters and this is an issue for Reform.

It is all very well having, for example, 4 million votes, but if those votes are spread thinly across the UK rather than concentrated in a good number of areas a party won't win many seats, as we saw with Reform in 2024.

Thank you. Like many people I hadn't heard of them until last night, so was suggesting nothing negative or positive.

Reform has reported the alleged family voting to the police, so let's see what cones of that. Although tbh I expect there will be cries of a cover up from Farage if he doesn't get the outcome he wants.

Starmer seems to be having a bit of a temper tantrum - is he ‘right wing’ as well now?

Now?

That is true they poll higher than anyone else atm.

Greens and Labour going for the same voters could help them. It’s a long way off so let’s see how it goes.

To be blunt such was the size of the Green Party share of the vote I strongly doubt it would have affected the outcome of the result.

That said I particularly liked the ding dong between Manchester City Council and Democracy Volunteers:

MCC : if Democracy Volunteers had any concerns then why didn't they report them to Polling station staff:

DV: We did

MCC: Well we never got any reports of family voting from the polling station staff.

MCC: Also why didn't DV publicise these concerns whilst the polls were open.

DV: Because we are legally not allowed to.

Im not sure the Cof E bishops are plotting to have total control of Birmingham in the next election or have virtually any influence on our lives.

The Muslim power and influence however, is being felt already. A government reluctant to run a proper inquiry into the Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs, a Justice Minister deciding to destroy all court records relating to historic grooming related rape cases just to make sure there are minimal prosecutions, a refusal to van first cousin marriage despite it causing thousands of severe disabilities/deaths each year and the icing on the cake, a CPS so unbelievably determined to bring in a blasphemy law by the back door that they not only prosecuted and failed to get a conviction if Hamit Coskun for burning a Koran (ignoring the guy who tried to stab him to death) but then decided to appeal his non conviction and try again. With a backlog in the courts so bad Lammy is trying to stop jury trials it’s not like there’s spare court time.

There have been other instances. And conviction of the current Mayor of Tower Hamlets.

Several reports have highlighted that, within Britain, allegations of electoral fraud tend to be more common in areas with large Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities. However, the extent of this association has not yet been quantified. Using data at the local authority level, this paper shows that percentage Pakistani and Bangladeshi (logged) is a robust predictor of two measures of electoral fraud allegations: one based on designations by the Electoral Commission, and one based on police enquiries. Indeed, the association persists after controlling for other minority shares, demographic characteristics, socio-economic deprivation, and anti-immigration attitudes. I interpret this finding with reference to the growing literature on consanguinity (cousin marriage) and corruption. Rates of cousin marriage tend to be high in countries such as Pakistan and Bangladesh, which may have fostered norms of nepotism and in-group favoritism that persist over time. To bolster my interpretation, I use individual level survey data to show that, within Europe, migrants from countries with high rates of cousin marriage are more likely to say that family should be one's main priority in life, and are less likely to say it is wrong for a public official to request a bribe.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379417300811

Noah Carl is the author of the article you are quoting. A two second Google tells me this:

Noah Carl is a British researcher who co-owns the Daily Sceptic blog. He was investigated and subsequently dismissed from his position as a Toby Jackman Newton Trust Research Fellow at St Edmund's College, Cambridge after over 500 academics signed a letter repudiating his research and public stance on race and intelligence, calling it "ethically suspect and methodologically flawed", and stating their concern that "racist pseudoscience is being legitimised through association with the University of Cambridge."[1][2][3] An investigation by the college concluded that Carl's work was "poor scholarship" which violated standards of academic integrity, and that Carl had collaborated with right-wing extremists.[4][5][6]

I agree with this. I'd even hold my nose and vote for a moderate Tory to keep Reform out of my constituency, and I've never voted Conservative ever before. I live in a historically very marginal Tory/ Labour seat.

Sky are right wing media they won’t like the fact the Green Party won, and I doubt very much it happened it’s more likely farage being a sore loser

That’s where I am too. I live in what used to be one of the safest Tory seats in the country, their majority is now down to around 2k. Fortunately the new (since 2024) MP is a decent, hardworking moderate so, although it would pain me, I wouldn’t lose sleep over voting for him if it meant keeping Reform out.

I remember Labour supporters throwing a strop after they failed to win the 2017 general election. Multiple protests in the weeks following the election, whipped up by Corbyn and others:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3766324/general-election-2017-downing-street-protest-theresa-may-lily-allen/
https://metro.co.uk/2017/06/10/hundreds-march-on-downing-street-to-protest-tory-and-dup-coalition-6700213/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40468881
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/jeremy-corbyn-to-speak-at-london-anti-austerity-march
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/labour-mp-angela-rayner-speaks-to-the-crowd-during-a-rally-news-photo/696951896

Can you give examples of when left-wing voters have rioted after an election?

One here in 2015 - albeit only a small riot;

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-10/riots-erupt-in-london-against-re-election-of-david-cameron/6458098