To be upset that young women feel they have to mutilate themselves like this

[LandOfFruitAndNut]

For context ‘young’ in my book is anyone under 35. I am in my 50’s. Very much old crone territory and thankfully no amount of procedures could improve my bog standard appearance. Thankfully as I am over 50 I really couldn’t give a toss.

So - AIBU to think that any level of plastic surgery is unnecessary except for medical reasons and to be particularly upset that young women think they need it?

Young people are beautiful. Full stop. They are young, have fresh skin, bouncy hair and ooze youth. Why does society tell them that making their bottom extra round or their lips extra puffy will improve their lives immeasurably?

Because it is society. I don’t buy the ‘doing it for themselves’ for one minute. If it was just for them they wouldn’t be posting images of the new improved them over the internet usually with the support of some down lighting and a smoothing filter or two.

Is this yet another issue we can lay at the feet of the patriarchy or is the concept of beauty so skewed anyway that I should stop getting so exercised about it and go back to my knitting?(societal stereotype of 50 something woman for dramatic effect. I prefer decoupage)

Yes. That's the point.

No I mean humans prefer attractive faces.

Exactly. Can't hold it back forever.

You can always choose between effort and expense Vs no effort and no expense. Both are equally legitimate. As long as I can afford to I'll choose attractive vs not because I've experience how horribly ugly women are treated.

Fake looks fake being natural is not a choice it is the way we are meant to look, rarely people will say to someone who fakes it they look terrible they will say 'you look great no one can tell the difference' as that is what is expected for people to say

To me all it shows is people with low self-esteem, and some do it to try and catch and keep a man but this is what society created

Delusional will tell them they are doing it for themselves but unless they stare at a mirror all day i dont see how that is possible they cant see themselves

Do you think makeup and highlights are a sign of low self esteem too? Nice clothes?

Most people with tweakments are undetectable - the big lips aesthetic is a choice.

I saw a lovely girl on the bus, the lips were all I could look at.
Nicely done, but it ruined her face. Threw her features off balance. I think the even the smallest of changes is too much…

Why do you think no effort natural = ugly? It really doesn't. Confidence is key. Now.if you feel more confident with full make up etc, then fab. But if you don't need to, then that doesn't make you ugly.

that's where you are missing the point. I look better than I would without.

Do women look odd because they don't show their natural hair colour?

Does Kate Middleton really look "odd" because she has fillers and botox, or does she just look like herself but less tired, less aged that she would have if she was natural?

Teeth are a great example, some people go for very unnatural veneers bright white, others for a much more natural shape and colour.

Because no effort is ugly for a lot of people. Confidence is not a solution to being ugly.

You know darn well that the OP is not referencing people in your situation !

Do you think you're aesthetics Jesus going around judging random women like that? Who cares what you like or claim to like?

Why is that situation different?

what do you mean, the way we are "meant to look"?

Technically if you want to go fully natural, we wouldn't have dentists (or surgeons, or anything)

And past a certain age, zero interest in looking fully natural, happy to look "fake" but younger and better.

No idea, I dont wear makeup and meet basic society standards on wearing clothes cant speak for anyone else

Then why is it even mildly noteworthy that young people want to modify their appearance to stand out/look the same as others?

I go to the dentist to protect my teeth medically and only have surgery when it is medically required not to look good

I’m not judging anyone. The girl clearly loves her lips.
My personal opinion is that any work on any face doesn’t look good. That’s what I think. Whether young, old, man or woman.

I hear you and agree @LandOfFruitAndNut

TV and social media full of normal gorgeous young ladies who look less natural and less pretty with all the work they have done. skincare is one thing, but lip fillers and Botox on teenagers and 20-30 year olds is insane!
I remember someone I knew who had her first baby at 29, and within few weeks of the baby being born was topping up the Botox and lip fillers as she’d been having them for years- I had no idea!

It’s insanely out of control and been normalised far too much for that young age bracket.

Older ladies are at a totally different stage of life and hormonally but I would hope my DC are all a lot more sensible about long term looks

I pride myself on the fact I’m nearly 30 and haven’t had any kind of alterations 🤣
never even had eyelashes done because it looks bloody horrendous.

There are thing that would make me feel more attractive, I can see how lip filler might improve my smile, or a lip flip maybe.. Botox would help my crows feet and recently accquired forehead lines. But I don’t want that super shiny leathery looking Botox skin that is so obvious even if people tell you it isn’t, it is 🤣

I see why other people do it, but a lot of it is conforming to today’s trends, and those trends will tire. I like being natural.. and I’ve recently been ID’d for paracetamol and scratch cards so I’m not complaining 😅

There's a lot of women on here commenting on why they get botox, fillers etc, when you're not who the OP was referring to.

Yes, you in your 30s would likely have some wrinkles, vanity got you - get some botox.

But the OP is talking about youg women who have no wrinkles, being conned into thinking they should start injecting poison into their bodies before there is even a need.

I'm late 40s and have spent most of this decade coming to terms with the change in my looks. I've tried retinol but didn't like how my skin reacted. I started collagen 3 months ago for my joints, and I can see the effect it is having on my skin, hair, and nails. It wasn't why I started but I'm appreciating the bonus its given me.

It depends what you mean by ‘work’ surely? I’m sure if someone had really crooked teeth or a hare lip or a visible scar and chose to correct it, you would not have the ‘any work on any face’ view.

Surely you can see the irony in thinking young women have been ‘conned’ into having Botox, while describing yourself as ‘coming to terms’ with your own looks? You’re just choosing different things.

I don’t understand why this seems to be so much more common in the UK than the rest of Europe. Is it because the influence of the US is greater. I really haven’t noticed it in mainland Europe.

I agree with you OP. I’m 45 and my face is going south. I’ll likely look at a few tweaks to look better. But I find it sad that young women in their 20’s are pumping up their lips in particular. There is no need for it. Some of them look ridiculous with the eyebrows and the eyelashes and the insanely pumped lips. But; for example, my cousin who is she is filling her lips and not over doing it, but they look like deflated balloons after a while so she goes for more. I would just worry what she will look like in 20 years. What effect does this pumping and deflating have long term?

She is beautiful and doesn’t need to be pumping anything into her. It is a bit sad.