Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

[busymomtoone]

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

i would said bad humans do bad things, look at catherine the great and other historical females that went rogue

About as much sympathy as he’s shown his victims really. He managed to live a long and privileged life before facing accountability so I think he’s been rather lucky. He did look broken though. I suspect he’s far too weak to ride this out for much longer and will go the same way Epstein did.

I feel sorry for him in that he is being punished far more than many others who did as bad or worse than him.

I also feel sorry for him in that he is now on the receiving end of a lot of holier than though moralising and witch-hunting.

And I also feel sorry for him because I suspect his behaviour was down to thoughtlessness and entitlement rather than genuine evilness.

I can sort of empathise with someone doing stupid stuff to try and fit in.

And of course he did serve in the Falklands in some pretty dangerous roles, so he's not all bad.

But clearly sympathies extends only as far as wanting him to be treated fairly. No more or less. My sympathies with the victims of sex trafficking and abuse run much deeper.

What is it a massive cover up for?

Thrown to the wolves is a bit much. He has milked his position, been utterly cosseted and had so many opportunities. He was even given a TV interview PR spin attempt but he made a complete hash of it. He's been arrested because they think he's committed a crime. Do you think he shouldn't have been arrested for a crime the's thought to have committed just because he served his country?

This x 1000. Why are so many people commenting that he is the only one facing any legal consequences for the abuse of girls and young women when he was arrested for his alleged actions while Trade Envoy, I am sure the entitled fool thought he was above the law when he shared state secrets with his pal Epstein, thick and arrogant is a terrible combination.

I don't feel sorry for him no, but I don't like to see anyone looking shocked/sad/worried or whatever. I kind of get what you mean because, I don't know, i hate seeing people vulnerable. But, he did awful things to vulnerable people so I can't feel for him.

I suspect, very soon he'll have an unexpected heart attack or stroke. His life is over whatever way and he'll have reaped what he's sown. FAFO

I never feel sorry for paedophilic rapists, no. The arrest for misconduct in public office is like Al Capone being arrested for tax evasion. We all know what else he did, scummy bastard.

I think he's a very misguided individual who has lived a life in circles most of us can't even comprehend and he's now being made the scapegoat for a whole seedy world in which he played only a small part. I don't feel sorry for him but I do feel others should be exposed also.

Today's arrest is unlikely to have much to do with the epstein case and more to do with his misconduct in relation to government information.

Calling him a peadophile and a rapist is unhelpful language when it's really not proven that he's either of these things.

I also think that a lot of men when very young think that women think about sex the way men themselves do, which is to say they are up for it all the time.

Normal men figure out quickly that most women are not like that. But when you are a prince, or in a famous rock band, it seems like sometimes they never make that discovery.

Not at all sorry for him. As for the 'going back to an empty house' nonsense - a massive free house he hasn't had to pay for! He's had all the advantages handed to him on a plate but he's so arrogant (see the Emily Maitliss interview) that he thought he could do what he liked.

Crimes he served time for. Not sure he deserved to be executed on the street. What an odd comparison to make!

No I do for his daughters and grandchildren. But he’s a public disgrace.

Absolutely loathe and despise the ghastly creep, but arresting him on his birthday!? I felt that was just unnecessarily unprofessionally nasty.

My stepfather was a paedophile rapist so yes i do.

He apparently is not a nice man according to staff who worked for him so no I don’t feel sorry for him.

Er no, he’s from one of the most powerful families in the world, he can get out of anything - including being in that situation in the first place. Any good person would get themselves away from that situation before it even became a situation because they would be instinctively revolted by signs along the way.

Wow. No. I am a mother and my sympathy lies entirely with the victims. Society needs protecting from the likes of him. Imagine your own child in the company of him and epstein? Its not a comfortable though, is it? His privilege has protected him, and his family money, paid for by the public purse, will pay for his defence. I have no time for the royal family.

He deserves everything he gets.

I don’t feel on the slightest bit sorry for him.
I don’t know how on earth he can ever be prosecuted though as he will never be able to have a fair, unbiased trial.
Equally I’m mightily pissed off that the only person in jail for crimes associated with Epstein is
a) A British woman
and the only person being utterly hounded and disgraced is
b) a British man.

Where is the ‘trial by media’ and downfall of all of the other men mentioned in the Epstein files?
Why is is only AMW.?? Easy target??

I agree. The NSPCC actually has guidelines to request people don’t throw about the term pedophile unless they’re specifically talking about someone who has sexual desires for prepubescent children as it just makes children less safe to use the term incorrectly.

Even though it is morally wrong for a whole host of reasons, and mostly illegal, to sleep with someone in their teens when you are an adult, this categorically does not make you a pedophile.

I agree. The only reason I’d like him to live is if justice would be served. I don’t think it will be, it’ll be another cover up and dodgy deal, so if he dies, however that happens, I really don’t care. I don’t think he’ll be alive this time next year, one way or another.

Then even more reason not to feel the smallest bit sorry for Andrew

Sexual offences can be very hard to prove in court, and the process is often traumatic for the victim.

Money stuff had the advantage that it's typically all on paper.

Are you quite alright in the head?
I'm assuming you're joking? I hope you are.

He's an overpriveleged spoilt brat bourne of privilege and nonsense in the first instance.

Even forgetting that side of it, he was a rich and influential man who gave another rich and influential man state secrets as collateral.

Epstein knew everything because he demanded insurance he wouldn't be sold out, as such he seems to have traded in deepest darkest secrets.

And on return, this overpriveleged man operating as a member of tax payer funded royalty, used those secrets to buy his way to access to children to rape.

'underage women' are children, who even outwith the dynamic of trafficking lack the capacity to consent to sex.

If you're not kidding then there's something seriously wrong with your sense of reason.

And do you know any different? It was stated in the press snd everywhere that she killed herself so anything else Is just peoples own thoughts but I’m allowed to have my own thoughts the same as you thank you very much