Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

[busymomtoone]

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

Is there a reason you're responding to a post about a bad man who did bad things with 'whatabout bad women...?'

I hope that the investigation into the crime he has been arrested for reveals information about the trafficking of young women and outs the others involved with it.
I can only imagine that AMW's arrogance and self importance means he's massively indignant that he's the only one being linked to the trafficking.

Not one fucking bit.

Didn't bother reading the full post - wtf!

Ah, no, she responded to another post?

Hopefully their hearts are wrenching for his victims.

No sympathy at all. Selfish, self absorbed, arrogant and an alleged abuser. I have totally lost any respect I had for the Royal Family over this. The late Queen lacked any morals by paying off one of his accusers. Yet again, the rich and powerful getting away with what most people would go to prison for. It's about time it all came crashing down.

I hope you get the help you so obviously need.

Absolutely not.

He will unfortunately get away with everything he has done, he is part of one of the most powerful families in the world. He's been arrested for sharing confidential information with Epstein, not sexual assault, rape, abuse.... etc which is what he should be being arrested for. He's back to his comfy mansion this evening, he's not on the concrete floor of the custody suite in his grey tracky with a little blanket. Nothing will come of this.

The only people I feel sorry for in all this are the many women and girls who were abused, raped and assaulted by Andrew and many many others.

If she was trafficked she wasn’t capable of consent, no matter how old she was.

FFS, 17% think YANBU. I despair

it was because you said bad men, so in terms of equality i mentioned there are bad women too, or am i not ment to mention equality ?

Regardless of the circles you travelled in

Hes a man.
He's a father of daughters.
He's capable of conscience surely? Because if not then we really do want to abolish the priveged if it's unreasonable to expect humanity from them.

Anyone, regardless of background, who can stand by and watch children tortured or have unconsenting sex as an adult with women he knows would be unlikely to consent to that otherwise deserves to be punished.

That's how you teache someone they still face consequences, that's how you avoid the 'trabelling in circle you can't even imagine' as a society we punish that behaviour.

You literally cannot just say 'he was so unfortunate to be spoilt poor chap, couldn't help raping teenagers and spilling state secrets for the privilege, poor aul guy, always looked good in a suit holding a martini glass, knew which fork to use, sure he opened a shopping center in our town, not his fault. Anyway he paid the teenagers well for the privilege of raping them....'

but andrew was never convicted of it, so therefore he is not

Why do we need to mention equality in a thread about a particular man who has done bad things?

well when you read the rest of the comments about andrew, then how if andrew was and has paid the price for anything he was guilty of but your words "Crimes he served time for" so as far as im aware andrew is innocent of all charges so why the difference ?

Someone I know served in The Falklands with him. Couldn't stand him and, on one occasion, flatly refused to fly in helicopter with AMW piloting as he felt he would be very unsafe.

None of us know the full facts, in this country we adopt the principle of innocent until proved guilty and AMW like any member of the public should be treated as such.

Mentioning equality on a specific thread specifically about powerful men trafficking young women, placing them in a position where it's taken 30 years before anyone would even touch their allegations isn't mentioning equality. It's erasure of the inequality our societies are built on. Are you a woman? If so that is startlingly internalized misogyny. If you're a man then not all men, but definitely you.

No. I am very happy. This sets an example.

Not yet. But if he had sex with any of those girls it’s rape. They were trafficked, so consent is out of the question.

We can treat his as innocent until proven guilty without feeling sorry for him, though. Unless you feel sorry for every single person who has ever been arrested for a crime?
He’s a man who has lived a life of privilege most of us can only dream of. Why would be feel sorry for him?

Is that you Fergie?

The minimising and justifying is insane! Palace PR machine working overtime, or bad men posting, or has the patriarchy just really done a number on a lot of women?

No. Why would I?

He had massive advantage all his life and what has he done? Grifted, sought to make himself richer and richer, sold trade secrets to bloody Epstein, and had sex with trafficked young women.

Ffs. All he had to do was behave normally. You reap what you sow.