Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

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Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

I don’t feel sorry for him, but I do think people ought to lay off the bullying because we don’t want an unhappy outcome. You can only push someone so far.

Who is bullying?

He's a cunt and he deserves all he gets - legally

Who is ‘bullying’ him?

I think the issue for me is that the scale of what he is accused of is so extraordinary.

It wasn’t one sexual assault. He was involved with a man who was trafficking women across boarders, who had a criminal conviction for being involved with a 14 year old. Who owned a private island where questionable stuff happened with a large number of high profile people such as Clinton & Gates involved.

On top of that he was up to his neck in shady & significant business dealings using his royal connections and a role he had been given to wheel & deal for his own good and to curry favour with his well connected and very rich and high profile mates.

The level he was operating at was extraordinary. One thing from the files: “it’s a pity the Gates Foundation aren’t in Afghanistan”. So he could what exactly? In a war torn country?

Is he being “bullied” or is the level of press attention appropriate given all this?

I'm only sorry the rest of them haven't been arrested and charged.

Yes, this.

Andrew deserves this, by the sound of it, but why is it that the only two high profile people being investigated are British?

Why aren't the Americans investigating their people? Trump etc seem to be feeling immune.

Trump is like unstoppable as far as I can tell. Has a criminal conviction but wants go deport “criminals”.

I can't stand it when overbearing, pushy, arrogant bullies claim to be the victims when their manipulative behaviour is exposed, and people stop doing their bidding or tolerating their patronising, corrupt actions. It's as if the moment they're held accountable for being a bully or perpetrator, they try to flip the narrative and present themselves as the victim, simply for no longer getting away with their abuse. Pitiful indeed.

at a guess they are not his people

Bought it on himself
And if he hadn't been such a inssuferable arrogant twat his entire life id be inclined to feel a bit more empathy for his current situation.
The problem with ppl like him is they only care when they realise they have e to be accountable.
He's treated ppl like shit his whole life allegedly,I very much doubt he will get any sympathy from even his nearest and dearest.

Not Andrew doing anything, but the way they talk is disgusting and the EXTREMELY ILLEGAL acts his friends/associates allude to are unimaginably cruel. Being friends with these people is a choice.

what if the Epstein files had a page that began with everything in this book / documents is purely fiction and is the research or fictional parts of a book etc

They don’t, so what’s your point?

One odd aspect of this is that nobody has a good word about Andrew, as Hilary Rose outlines in today's Times. Normally in a story like this, it's a case of how charismatic the man was, nobody had any clue, he charmed everyone. There was none of that here.

Don’t feel sorry for him. The news reported that he also paid a contribution of the £12mil to Virginia Guiffre so he’s known about it for a very long time and did nothing before.

The King - what's there to feel sorry for. Another pampered over privileged leech who tried to help Andrew out of this mess. Loathsome.

It was in the press last year about how poorly Charles treats some of his staff - we are apparently all his subjects. They don't have a clue how to live a normal life - you can't when you grow up with wealth like that and having servants attend to your every whim

No one is baying for him to top himself. Nothing that people are posting online is going to prejudice an upcoming trial. You could say exactly the same for anyone high profile who has been arrested

Nicola Sturgeon was arrested and not charged and whatever people think of her if you look at twitter just now she's being completely vilified because of something her estranged husband has been accused of - that's been going on for months now. Apparently her estranged husband is guilty too and he's not been on trial yet

Andrew isn't the only person who is being discussed all over social media in relation to an alleged crime

Any high profile person will go through the same - I'm not saying that's right - but I'm certainly not looking for someone to kill themselves.

I have actually lost someone to suicide so reading comments like - he's going to top himself isn't easy for me.

I'm not a fan of the Royal family - but Andrew is 66 years old. He's made his own choices

He apparently cheated on Sarah Ferguson dozens of times. I think it's fair to say that he's a sex addict and given the resources that family have he should have been in therapy a long long time ago

It's also a measure of how the press view people like Andrew - they make excuses for him "Randy Andy" - everything minimised - a joke.

There's not one member of the Royal family who cares about someone like me - someone who lives below the line. I don't care how many ribbons they cut or how many trips these people make to homeless units - calling it work

They are pampered. They are over privileged and it is time we got rid of the lot of them. The only one I thought was half decent was Diana and look how that ended. No one will convince me that Kate is happy with her lot either. Apparently Kate and William moving house has inconvenienced a lot of local people - they don't care. They think they are better than us commoners

How much did the coronation of Charles cost - obscene amounts of money - while people can't afford to heat their homes or eat

I remember seeing a breakdown of Kates and Meghans wardrobe. There was a dress that Meghan wore. It looked like a bed sheet. Half a million pounds.

I think as a nation we have been brainwashed into thinking that's acceptable - it's not

No one would care if his name was Andy Smith from a working class background so I don't care about Andy Windsor. He's loathsome

Apparently Andrew was furious at the decision to remove 24 hour security from his daughters. Eugenie went on a gap year in 2010 and apparently the cost for her security was 100k and that was a factor in security being removed

I personally don't understand why we as a nation just accept this and think that it's justified. That people live this lifestyle and nothing they ever do is questioned

The way Andrew talks, or the way other Epstein friends/associates talk? If the latter, is he included in the conversations? I hold Andrew in contempt and have no wish to defend him, but I am not comfortable with the lynch-mob rush to blame him for the words or actions of others unless we know for sure that he knew about them and continued his friendship regardless.

has t his article been linked?
The hunting of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

It doesn’t look like a boob unless your boobs have felt butterflies attached

For the tenth time, there are no felt butterflies attached.

I think that poster may need a visit to Specsaver's . It took me over a year to realise I needed reading glasses, once I got them it made such a difference to my understanding of online content.