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Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

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busymomtoone · 19/02/2026 21:55

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

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Pepperlee · 20/02/2026 14:39

LizzieW1969 · 20/02/2026 10:46

Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I’ve been through tonnes of therapy, as has my DSis, who was also abused. We both suffer from complex PTSD, but we’ve both built good lives for ourselves, with our own families.

It helps that our F is long dead, though it’s hard that, like VG’s father and all those other men who abused her, he never faced justice. Neither did any of our other abusers. So sadly, I’m disgusted but not surprised that there’s been no justice for her or Epstein’s other victims.

Maybe there will be some form of justice now, if AMB is convicted of Misconduct in Public Office, but I have my doubts on that score.

I too am not holding out much hope for a conviction but that remains to be seen. He'll have top notch lawyers and the whole charade stinks. He's detested by most of the country because of his arrogance and entitlement. Him and his ghastly wife are a disgrace. There's a helluva lot more that needs to be brought to the surface but will it? Let's hope all the abusers are uncovered and prosecuted.
May your life continue on an upward scale and that you have strength to make it happen.

MillyTheale · 20/02/2026 14:40

HawkinsLabsColdwarEra · 20/02/2026 14:32

fair points, but it would certainly be lots less $$ from tourism etc overall , that is indisputable

It's not in the least 'indisputable'. France doesn't struggle for overseas tourism and it decapitated its monarchs quite some time ago, and then dispensed with its monarchy again more permanently after a brief 19thc blip.

Versailles, the Tuileries, and the various Loire chateaux aren't exactly seeing tumbleweeds roll through despite the absence of living royals inhabiting them.

HawkinsLabsColdwarEra · 20/02/2026 14:41

MillyTheale · 20/02/2026 14:40

It's not in the least 'indisputable'. France doesn't struggle for overseas tourism and it decapitated its monarchs quite some time ago, and then dispensed with its monarchy again more permanently after a brief 19thc blip.

Versailles, the Tuileries, and the various Loire chateaux aren't exactly seeing tumbleweeds roll through despite the absence of living royals inhabiting them.

i meant it as in less than what we get now, not that we would not still achieve some

Bellaunion · 20/02/2026 14:43

I hate all these excuses too about somehow his upbringing as well means he seemingly doesn't know how normal people behave and think.

He's not lived in a deserted island for the last 60 years. He had the best education money can buy. He's been in the Royal Navy. He's got a family himself. He knows about right and wrong.

His upbringing is no excuse for his associations with Epstein or for having sex with a trafficked victim. And I'm fairly certain when he was made trade envoy it would have been made CRYSTAL CLEAR about sharing government documents.

What this is is a person who knows full well about right and wrong yet thinks he's above the law due to the position he's in.

IcySwan · 20/02/2026 14:44

MoiraPlunkett · 20/02/2026 12:49

No, on the present information available, I have no sympathy.

If anything were to come out that AMW had historically been an abuse victim, that might change my view, but at present I have heard nothing to suggest that.

He's had a life of privilege. Even the heirs to the throne have a life of privilege that the 'weight' of their duties comes nowhere near justifying, but that is even more true for senior royals who have little or no expectation of becoming monarch.

He lived the life of a playboy - remember 'Randy Andy' and 'Airmiles Andy' and later the tales of Fergie and him living it up when they first got together, ordering 8 course meals at Buckingham Palace for themselves and their mates when they got back from clubbing at 1am?

He's made no attempt to justify his existence - at least the likes of Anne, Edward, Charles and Camilla seem to have some sense of duty to the public, even if their duties fall far short of what most of us would deem full-time work. Even Harry has been involved with noticeable charity work through Invictus and the landmines charity.

Andrew - what has he done? Nothing. Absolutely zilch.

This. The charity work he did manage, the whole pitch at palace wasnt really charity. It was a side hussle money making scheme which he benefited from. His time as a NSPCC patron - while hanging around with a convicted child abuser is a farce. How he could sit with that charity knowing his friend and benefactor was one of the people they protect kids from is a joke.

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 14:45

TheGander · 20/02/2026 14:16

I agree, another example of stuff being projected onto anything he’s ever done. Even if it is a ball that looks like a breast- is that so heinous?

I think the other photo is a balloon

Seen so many pictures of what AMW has been up to and peoples going on about how awful it is. When you see the picture the tag line might say Prince Andrew but the person in the photo is not Prince Andrew/AMW

People need to really look at what is put in front of them and use some critical thinking.

I can see him being charged (because the police are being forced into a trial because the general public won’t accept anything else) Then his defence team having a field day with the fake photos and ridiculous accusations.

This latest one being the inference that he is entertaining a random child for nefarious purposes when it’s just him playing with his nephew

Is playing ball with your baby nephew or niece weird now,

Once saw the headlines that Richard Madderly was spotted having dinner with a young mystery blonde. There was a few paragraphs about them giggling whilst Judy was home alone.

It was his daughter

52andblue · 20/02/2026 14:46

TheGander · 20/02/2026 14:14

He’s entitled, lecherous, rude, snobbish and none too intelligent. He enjoys sex with young women, uses prostitutes and probably gives no thought at all to the lives of the people around him whom he just sees as staff. He’s abused his position as trade envoy, conflict of interest doesn’t begin to cover it. No one has come out publicly to say anything positive about him. However, I am a bit uncomfortable with the glee at his downfall. There’s something quite vengeful and sadistic about it. We seem to be projecting all sorts of things onto him- pedophilia, torture chambers etc. Some of this is skidding into the realms of morbid fantasy. My hope is for a full investigation into his business/ financial dealings and an overdue examination of the royal family’s financial affairs as a whole.

'Sadistic' - that would be CSA itself, not people's schadenfreude at the supposed 'downfall' of an unpopular man (so far, merely questioned for a few hours)

'Vengeful' - I remember being asked by a senior lawyer if I was 'seeking revenge' on the ainvolved in my CSA. I replied that I wanted to protect the younger children in my family. But, actually, what if I had felt vengeful?
There is a lot to feel vengeful about, societally, when adult men use children & young people as their sexual toys. Getting away with ruining lives, for years.

Discoated · 20/02/2026 14:47

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 14:08

Isn’t that picture of Prince Edward’s son. It looks very like him

What exactly is weird about the picture

Also why are we saying that a ball looks like a breast when it looks like it has got what looks like felt butterfly’s struck to it.

James, Earl of Wessex was born in 2007 and would have been 4 years old in 2011 when this picture is allegedly from. The toddler in the picture looks no older than 18 months. The way it's been reported, they are hinting it may be JE's child.

Do most families let their boy toddlers play with 'boob balls' then? Not sure they are designed for babies. This photo was among the Epstein files released by the doj.

Did you open the article? here is another link the the daily fail is not for you https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/former-prince-andrew-tosses-boobie-214836623.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJSRHdMDOFS9RujfniVMPc68uUmTSoRjcceUub3MrURnsIrNDYIVkv2CMnJLj_l2hiLnxqJvsEqjsIWK6GeqISULGIBsWpHOl8R7iBtLRR9AgO_We-YqReSQlKpwLHZZ-EXosZqNGZVvG-6myR2_EF7HSR0w0SATY0uRwOL2vqfP

I am not sure what butterflies you are seeing.

Not a great look for Andrew being depicted with a toddler boy playing with an adult toy. For what it's worth, I don't believe he is a nonce. But he was more than happy to turn a blind eye to the going ons and do whatever it took to keep the money from Epstein coming his way. He and Sarah played a dirty and dangerous game. I hope they will pay for it.

I'm wondering if Mandelson is cooperating with the police to deflect from his own involvement in it all.

Former Prince Andrew Tosses Boobie Ball with Kid in Pics

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor -- formerly known as Prince Andrew -- turned fun bags into kicks for kids in some very un-princely photos obtained by TMZ.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/former-prince-andrew-tosses-boobie-214836623.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJSRHdMDOFS9RujfniVMPc68uUmTSoRjcceUub3MrURnsIrNDYIVkv2CMnJLj_l2hiLnxqJvsEqjsIWK6GeqISULGIBsWpHOl8R7iBtLRR9AgO_We-YqReSQlKpwLHZZ-EXosZqNGZVvG-6myR2_EF7HSR0w0SATY0uRwOL2vqfP

Changedname9999 · 20/02/2026 14:49

TheGander · 20/02/2026 14:16

I agree, another example of stuff being projected onto anything he’s ever done. Even if it is a ball that looks like a breast- is that so heinous?

it is given what I read earlier on here about what is actually referred to in the EF. I have decided I can’t know any more about them for my own peace of mind.

scottishgirl69 · 20/02/2026 14:50

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 14:45

I think the other photo is a balloon

Seen so many pictures of what AMW has been up to and peoples going on about how awful it is. When you see the picture the tag line might say Prince Andrew but the person in the photo is not Prince Andrew/AMW

People need to really look at what is put in front of them and use some critical thinking.

I can see him being charged (because the police are being forced into a trial because the general public won’t accept anything else) Then his defence team having a field day with the fake photos and ridiculous accusations.

This latest one being the inference that he is entertaining a random child for nefarious purposes when it’s just him playing with his nephew

Is playing ball with your baby nephew or niece weird now,

Once saw the headlines that Richard Madderly was spotted having dinner with a young mystery blonde. There was a few paragraphs about them giggling whilst Judy was home alone.

It was his daughter

It's the CPS who will make the decision to charge or not - not because the general public want a trial

Agrumpyknitter · 20/02/2026 14:53

No, I don’t feel sorry for him at all. He’s in a hugely privileged position he didn’t need to pass on that trade information to pay the bills or to put food on the table.

I do feel sorry for Harry and Meghan who face so much vitriol from the public even before his poorly thought out Netflix and book situation who were thrown to the wolves to cover Andrew’s bad publicity.

Discoated · 20/02/2026 15:05

Eskarina1 · 20/02/2026 14:31

I think many of us have been socialised to feel sorry for privileged, abusive men who get their consequences. Feel it but recognise it for what it is and then let it go.

Agreed. I have always been supportive of the royal family, especially the Walses and especially Catherine, princess of Wales.

However, while I don't think the monarchy will be dismantled any time soon or ever, it's all leaving a bad impression now. Murky system enabling abuse and exploitation. High lack of transparency and accountability. I'm no longer keen.

I've never been keen on the Sussexes but they must be thanking their lucky stars not to be associated with any of this.

boxofbuttons · 20/02/2026 15:07

No.

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 15:26

Discoated · 20/02/2026 14:47

James, Earl of Wessex was born in 2007 and would have been 4 years old in 2011 when this picture is allegedly from. The toddler in the picture looks no older than 18 months. The way it's been reported, they are hinting it may be JE's child.

Do most families let their boy toddlers play with 'boob balls' then? Not sure they are designed for babies. This photo was among the Epstein files released by the doj.

Did you open the article? here is another link the the daily fail is not for you https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/former-prince-andrew-tosses-boobie-214836623.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJSRHdMDOFS9RujfniVMPc68uUmTSoRjcceUub3MrURnsIrNDYIVkv2CMnJLj_l2hiLnxqJvsEqjsIWK6GeqISULGIBsWpHOl8R7iBtLRR9AgO_We-YqReSQlKpwLHZZ-EXosZqNGZVvG-6myR2_EF7HSR0w0SATY0uRwOL2vqfP

I am not sure what butterflies you are seeing.

Not a great look for Andrew being depicted with a toddler boy playing with an adult toy. For what it's worth, I don't believe he is a nonce. But he was more than happy to turn a blind eye to the going ons and do whatever it took to keep the money from Epstein coming his way. He and Sarah played a dirty and dangerous game. I hope they will pay for it.

I'm wondering if Mandelson is cooperating with the police to deflect from his own involvement in it all.

It doesn’t actually say the photo was taken in 2011.

It says about 2011 so could be 2009. This boy does look like Edwards DS when he was about the age of the child in the photo

If you look at all the pictures you can see the ball has felt stuck to it in one picture then there is a picture that is made to look like it is being rolled back to Andrew but the ball is no longer there and it changes to a balloon.

I think the whole article is rubbish and has taken what was an innocent set of pictures and altered them to fit the narrative.

MissMoneyFairy · 20/02/2026 15:32

Who bought the ball, who manufactured it, they are widely available to buy online.

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 15:41

Discoated · 20/02/2026 14:47

James, Earl of Wessex was born in 2007 and would have been 4 years old in 2011 when this picture is allegedly from. The toddler in the picture looks no older than 18 months. The way it's been reported, they are hinting it may be JE's child.

Do most families let their boy toddlers play with 'boob balls' then? Not sure they are designed for babies. This photo was among the Epstein files released by the doj.

Did you open the article? here is another link the the daily fail is not for you https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/former-prince-andrew-tosses-boobie-214836623.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJSRHdMDOFS9RujfniVMPc68uUmTSoRjcceUub3MrURnsIrNDYIVkv2CMnJLj_l2hiLnxqJvsEqjsIWK6GeqISULGIBsWpHOl8R7iBtLRR9AgO_We-YqReSQlKpwLHZZ-EXosZqNGZVvG-6myR2_EF7HSR0w0SATY0uRwOL2vqfP

I am not sure what butterflies you are seeing.

Not a great look for Andrew being depicted with a toddler boy playing with an adult toy. For what it's worth, I don't believe he is a nonce. But he was more than happy to turn a blind eye to the going ons and do whatever it took to keep the money from Epstein coming his way. He and Sarah played a dirty and dangerous game. I hope they will pay for it.

I'm wondering if Mandelson is cooperating with the police to deflect from his own involvement in it all.

Here are the pictures

First is of the ball with what looks like felt butterflies stuck to it

2nd is what looks like the ball having been rolled back to Andrew but is now what looks like a balloon

Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?
Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?
TiredCatLady · 20/02/2026 15:49

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 15:41

Here are the pictures

First is of the ball with what looks like felt butterflies stuck to it

2nd is what looks like the ball having been rolled back to Andrew but is now what looks like a balloon

Those aren’t felt butterflies. They’re the child’s hands.

ThiagoJones · 20/02/2026 15:51

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 14:45

I think the other photo is a balloon

Seen so many pictures of what AMW has been up to and peoples going on about how awful it is. When you see the picture the tag line might say Prince Andrew but the person in the photo is not Prince Andrew/AMW

People need to really look at what is put in front of them and use some critical thinking.

I can see him being charged (because the police are being forced into a trial because the general public won’t accept anything else) Then his defence team having a field day with the fake photos and ridiculous accusations.

This latest one being the inference that he is entertaining a random child for nefarious purposes when it’s just him playing with his nephew

Is playing ball with your baby nephew or niece weird now,

Once saw the headlines that Richard Madderly was spotted having dinner with a young mystery blonde. There was a few paragraphs about them giggling whilst Judy was home alone.

It was his daughter

because the police are being forced into a trial because the general public won’t accept anything else

The police don’t decide whether to charge or not.

LizzieW1969 · 20/02/2026 15:53

Pepperlee · 20/02/2026 14:39

I too am not holding out much hope for a conviction but that remains to be seen. He'll have top notch lawyers and the whole charade stinks. He's detested by most of the country because of his arrogance and entitlement. Him and his ghastly wife are a disgrace. There's a helluva lot more that needs to be brought to the surface but will it? Let's hope all the abusers are uncovered and prosecuted.
May your life continue on an upward scale and that you have strength to make it happen.

Thank you so much. It’s been a long road.

Yes, we want all these abusers to face justice. I thought Trump’s response was very telling. No empathy towards the victims and he really did sound like he was gloating about Andrew’s arrest.

TheGander · 20/02/2026 16:02

Changedname9999 · 20/02/2026 14:49

it is given what I read earlier on here about what is actually referred to in the EF. I have decided I can’t know any more about them for my own peace of mind.

Probably a good thing, take a step back.

Viviennemary · 20/02/2026 16:05

No.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 20/02/2026 16:33

FunnyOrca · 20/02/2026 14:22

… sorry, I think my original post applies to you too. I really hope you haven’t read the entireity of the files. It you have and this is your attitude you are just as bad as them.

No, I have only read what has been reported in the main UK news sites.The men whose vile comments I have read are disgusting, despicable, loathsome, whatever you want to say about them. But I’m not clear - are you saying Andrew has been proven to have been involved in the loathsome conversations? I knew he was involved in sex with a 17-year-old, and begging for money, and now it seems he was giving away state secrets. As you seem to be an expert, is there something else from or about Andrew revealed in the files?

Discoated · 20/02/2026 16:43

LizzieW1969 · 20/02/2026 15:53

Thank you so much. It’s been a long road.

Yes, we want all these abusers to face justice. I thought Trump’s response was very telling. No empathy towards the victims and he really did sound like he was gloating about Andrew’s arrest.

I just had a passing thought, it’s possible that Andrew MBW, frustrated by his demotion and the loss of titles and income, may have approached Trump indirectly, potentially signalling that he possessed information about Trump and Epstein. This, in turn, could have prompted Trump to provide information regarding A MBW to the British authorities.

AInightingale · 20/02/2026 16:45

Well it does look like a breast, and fuck knows what that picture is in the background. Looks like an adult with a child in underwear, dunno, can't quite make it out (or may be perfectly innocent).

Discoated · 20/02/2026 16:48

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 15:41

Here are the pictures

First is of the ball with what looks like felt butterflies stuck to it

2nd is what looks like the ball having been rolled back to Andrew but is now what looks like a balloon

Are you saying Andrew MBW gave his nephew this adult boob toy to play with? That's even more creepy. Envy

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/2011-show-then-duke-york-1060668335.jpg?quality=90&strip=all