Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

[busymomtoone]

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

I don't believe he is without private family support.

Or did Epstein tell the then pm to give him that role ? Who knows.

A PhD 😂😂😂?

Where did you get that from? I don't even think he has A levels

Yes! Poor chap…heartbroken for him

You think committing adultery is on a par with everything AMW has done??

No, he had the world on a plate and still wanted more.

Absolutely not! I knew someone in the Royal Protection Police who said he was completely vile, a really nasty person to be around. Then we hear about his involvement with Epstein and his other shady activities. He's a slimy piece of shit whether he committed any crimes or not (which he obviously did) so he deserves what's coming to him.

I don’t feel a shred of sympathy, although certainly he’s been enabled all his life and should have been called out many many years ago, as should all the completely immoral people involved in the whole sorry saga. How can people turn a blind eye just because someone is rich and famous? I know it’s easier said than done when there’s a power imbalance but how can those enablers have stood by and watched while all the shady shit went down? I couldn’t live with myself. Where were the whistleblowers?

I know I’m naive. I want to live in a world where people don’t lie and cheat, where people ‘in charge’ (be it the government, the monarchy, the police) can be trusted! It will
never happen. Humans are predictably corruptible.

Not in the slightest.

As adults we all have choices to make. Even if we were abused as children (of which there is no proof that AMW was), we are still adults and we get to decide what actions we take.

I would like to see all the men who have been involved in the nest of vipers that Epstein created to be held accountable for their actions. I don't just want to see Andrew Mountbatten Windsor as the only one. All of them should be held accountable for any wrong doing towards women and children most particularly but also to selling out their own country for private gain.

I do not feel sorry for any of them - they chose their actions. I feel sorry for all the vulnerable women and children who didn't have the same choices.

Therefore @busymomtoone YABU.

See I’m delighted to see Andrew face justice but even if we stripped the Royals of their 80 million a year, it would be pissing in the wind when it comes to child poverty.

Absolutely zero sympathy for him, rewatch the newsnight interview where he lies, tries to paint himself as an honourable hero, admits to spending lots of money to discredit thw now infamous photo of him and VG (which latest release of epstein files now show he knew was genuine), and exhibits zero empathy for the victims of Epstein - after all their friendship had so many "beneficial outcomes" for him regarding his business interests.

One gets the overwhelming impression that whilst he was Trade Envoy his main priority was enriching himself, not furthering British business interests for the good of the nation. Im convinced he's earnt tens of millions of pounds by schmoozing the very worst men in the world, and I'm curious to see if any court case against him dives into his finances and we get to hear which other delightful people were funding him.

Neither do i have any sympathy for Charles - he helped fund the pay off to VG, so all his press releases saying his thoughts are with the victims sound very hollow to me. His thoughts and sympathy are with them so much, yet hes willing to finance their silence so the perpetrator doesn't have to face them in court.

You’re right! Sorry! Not sure where I got that from, nevertheless is not so thick that he commits crimes without realising it.

Nope. Consequences, innit.

I did. It's human to feel empathy for another human being in severe distress, regardless of who they are or what they've done.

Is it? I think it’s human to realise that vile people should be punished without thought.

You feel empathy for Hitler?

You’d feel sorry for AMW if he’d abused your daughter?

I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished at all. He definitely should. I'm just saying it's understandable to feel a bit sorry for someone who is obviously very distressed.

In the '80s there was this ' Randy Andy' image portrayed by the media ,that he was more of a playboy than his brothers. Reports of him dating models and actresses like Koo Stark were met with ' good for him' type of reports.

I remember 'Spitting Image' caricaturing him as a bit of liability to the Royals due to him not being able to keep it in his pants.

I wonder how many knew, apart from Epstein and his victims, that at that point he was a lot darker character than his public persona?

The only ' unfairness' ..if that's the correct word, I think is that he seems to the only one paying for the Epstein island crimes when there are loads, including Trump, wandering around getting off scot free.

It is almost like if we nail AMW, then the whole disgraceful mess will be over.

Sadly I think he is not long for this world one way or another.

My main sympathies are for his daughters, who have found out they have two moral-less deviants for parents. I guess they knew they were shallow but probably had their true natures hidden.

Is that you Beatrice? Eugenia? Fergie? Come on- own up.

In regard to family. His kids are not speaking to him. They have all washed their hands of him. I honestly can see him harming him self.

157 million actually. And that doesn't include the Millions of duchy pocket money, round about another 50 million.

much like his victims then, they harmed themselves. He was the master of his own destiny, they weren’t.

How do you know he is 'obviously very distressed'.

For all we know, it is just shock and anger and how dare the police take me to a police station and question me.

I really don't think material comforts around you compensate for a life dismantled. He has no friends, no meaningful work, no bosom of the family, staff who want nothing to do with him, no community around him, no daily chit chat or small talk, an isolated life filled with shame and a reputation in tatters. That isn't by any measure a good life, no matter how much money you have.

Oh I know, still it's £80 million (or however much) that could still be better spent elsewhere!