Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

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Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

So paedophiles aren't really paedophiles even if they have raped underage children and girls unless they have been convicted in a court of law? What about children raped by their fathers? So many of them are too scared of the consequences if they go to the police, e.g. being disowned by their whole families, so in your opinion the lack of a conviction means that these men aren't really paedophiles at all?

They weren’t children.

I didn't think there would be anything to find amusing on this thread. Thanks @ITMA2000!

Absolutely not a single shred of sympathy for AMW, here. He's a disgusting human being.

If I had my way, there would be no royal family at all. Their priviledge sickens me.

The way they pretend they are serving us sickens me (Charles even alluded to this in his statement yesterday).

The way the press refer to the ones who "work" as working royals sickens me - if walking into a building, smiling, nodding, feigning interest and shaking the odd hand is "work," where do I sign up?

Disband / overthrow (or whatever the term would be) the royal family and let them pay tax like the rest of us! Those who continue to be conned into thinking they are good for our country, value for money and something to be proud of need to give their head a wobble.

Adults are 18+.

Virginia was 17, a child.

She was trafficked.

I always try to keep a shred of compassion for everyone. It's a good human trait to have for both you and for humanity.

I think he must be as thick as pig shit to not realise this would all come down on him like a ton of bricks . He has lived a guilded life with no consequences for anything and by all accounts is vile to other people so no I don’t have empathy . He needs to disappear forever whether that be exile or jail . Having said that his wife should join him .

There is a lot of mental gymnastics going on to make what Andrew did ok by the minimisers and apologists. They’re all over threads talking nonsense. Thankfully most people are sensible and can see what’s going on. 👀

It will be tragic if AMW is not charged for the abuse of VG and any other trafficked women he abused. Obviously, I hope he gets charged and convicted for the misconduct in public office offences, but I sincerely hope that there is enough evidence in the Epstein files for the charges that someone upthread appeared to refer to as misdemeanors 🤯. If Gislaine Maxwell is the only person to serve time for all of the abhorent abuse, then society is doomed.

I do & it's something I challenge in myself & often wonder why I feel sorry for people who do terrible things.

Also why I didn't report the person who assaulted me when I was a teenager - he was a nice, charming, generous man & I couldn't bear to be his undoing (amongst other reasons) I knew the guilt would consume me. I think it might be part of how I was brought up, to never challenge or upset anyone.

This.

Many of them were actual children and, sickenly, there is evidence in the Epstein files of rape and sexual abuse of babies and the victims that were older were trafficked.

No, no, no

No. He had far more chances to succeed in life than 99.99% of the rest of the world. Everything was handed to him on a plate since birth. All he had to do was get up in the morning and breath and he would be given VIP treatment. He was at the top of the totem pole of white male hetero upper class privilege. But instead he chose to been part of a paedo ring.

I’ll save my sorrow for those who never stood a chance, those like Virgina Guifreye who suffered abuse since young childhood, and was targeted for more abuse by Epstein and Andrew’s ring precisely because they knew she was one of life’s ‘losers’ and nobody would ever believe her, unlike them.

I don't feel sorry for them either, but I do think it's important not to 'monster' people, as it can have negative side effects.
They are people, like it or not, who walk among us. A lot of them - likely more than you think, and you're probably friends with several without knowing. They don't stop being people because they've sexually assaulted someone. They should be locked away from society (or hell, even quietly disposed of, I'm not fussy), but they're still people.

As this Italian blogger writes, quite aptly:
"We tell ourselves that these men are monsters because we cannot look the truth in the eye: these men are just like us, we went to school with them, we taught them. The crime they committed is not due to animal or monstrous instincts, but it was enabled and encouraged by the society we live in."

And his ex Fergie is disgusting too. Her emails show she was sharing stories of her own daughters sexuality to titillate Epstein for the purpose of begging for money. I’d be surprised if the files don’t show she was also involved in all kinds of corruption. What an awful pair of greedy, spoiled, corrupt, grifting, degenerate people.

Feel sorry for a rapist? No.

He’s acted appallingly. He’s more than a little bit stupid. He looks shell shocked and broken. Mostly thoughts 100% with victims but yes, on a human level do have some compassion for AMW, even though can’t stand the man…he is likely a suicide risk now.

Do I fuck! Read 'Entitled' and remember where Virginia Giuffre is now. That piece of shit had it coming and then some...FAFO.

No. I want him to be charged and locked up.

Why not exile him to his beloved Falkland Islands?

Poor Falklanders if they do...

Awww the prince is being held accountable for his evil actions
Awww
Are you ok?
Do you even know what they got up to on that Island?
From child S abuse, to torturing children to cannibalism.
Dunno what individuals done, but they all knew what was happening there, also people who sell their own kids
The most horrifying stories ever
And you're worried about what exactly?

They ate children on thay island
And tortured them 🙄
Whether he was involved in all, God only knows
But it was the kind of place you order your fetishes
Awww he was lonely
And?
Flattery
Really?

He did indeed live a gilded life, and I agree that he must be immensely thick. I was just thinking that earlier. Most criminals are quite thick, though.

Absolutely this.

And I don't think we can say he has no family support. He's still staying in a home that is far bigger than the average home, rent free and paid for completely by his brother.

He was still in contact and associated with Epstein long after his crimes were known about. If he looks broken then he completely deserves to be.