Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

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Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

not in the context of what i was replying to

I'm glad you left too.

that alex thing was a different kettle of fish and you know it

thats nice of you calling people an idiot

Where have you been hiding? Which girl? Which of several?

And was he involved in any of the other monstrous activities? Was raping girls (underage women) the worst he did?
What of the claim about child torture at Frogmore using electric shock?

What has he been charged with?

what about holding a weapon to his pregnant girfriend, etc yea the guy was such a saint

No.

I do think Epstein was a genius at sniffing out seemingly powerful people who had weaknesses. Andrew's arrogance couldn't resist flattery, for example. Perhaps the offered friendship, as well (I suspect Andrew is generally lonely).
But, ultimately, we are all accountable. His story has an almost sub-Shakespearian quality now - a flawed man brought down by poor decisions and deserted by his family in the glare of the public.
What a horrid, grim life he has left now.

I'm not sure about that. Her dad abused her a a child, she was living with another abuser before Epstein - Ron? - and Epstein made her do a lot more with a lot more people than Andrew, who at least she did say was nice when they had sex. I mean, it's horrible that they had sex, but at least he wasn't rough like some of the others were. And she had lost custody of her kids when she did it. I suspect it was due to all the terrible things that had happened to her throughout her life, not necessarily because of Andrew. Considering all the awful things that befell her, I expect Andrew was the least of her worries.

Oh - and she harboured terrible guilt about recruiting other girls for Epstein. That could also have played a role.

That giant, sharp pendulum has swung back and forth for decades - and Andrew has bobbed and weaved and danced and spent his family’s money to dodge it.
And now, maybe, that pendulum will swing and hit its mark.

It’s long past time for somebody who has been sticking their neck out, almost begging to that pendulum to strike.

Er no! You weirdo!

Taking a step back (not that we should have to but here it is): this is man who is a member of the most powerful family in Britain, one of the most powerful families in the world with a lineage of rule (for the better or worse) going back 1,000 years.

He knew his position. He became a trade envoy on the basis of no qualifications or aptitude other than his mummy. He used that position to personally enrich himself, accepted money from a convicted paedophile, and freely befriended said paedophile to gain access to children. Because that's what these girls were - children.

He truly thought himself above the law. Even if someone you had known personally for many years did this, would have it in you to feel sorry for them? You are a more empathetic person than me, OP. I don't even think King Charles feels sorry for his brother.

The RF has a history of second children not doing well. But neither Princess Margaret nor Prince Harry used their position to exploit and sexually abuse children (at least that we know of). This is someone who was given the world and used their privilege to partake in the sickest, most selfish awful shit imaginable. Bin. Prison.

I mean that probably is what the entitled pompous git thought yes, not that it excuses him

Zero sympathy. Other royals had same upbringing and didn't turn out like him.

Hope he shares a cell with some big bloke who fancies him.

Only in a whataboutery sense. He must wonder why he has been taken down by his relationship with Epstein and his appalling behaviour but why has no one else? Even Mandleson has not been arrested.
But actual direct sympathy for him, no. He has to own what he did.

I don’t feel sorry for him at all. I think a better word is pity but this also seems a bit too empathetic. His downfall is deeply deserved and all I can see when I look at him is a disgusting gross slimy man who has fallen on his own sword. A spoiled brat getting everything he deserves. I understand your emotion OP but I don’t think what you are feeling for him is ‘sorry’….

A child abusing nonce who deserves everything coming to him. He would be out there still abusing vulnerable girls if Epstein had not been caught.

Do you usually feel bad for those who abuse children?

That doesn't surprise me at all. There are so many stories about his rudeness and dismissive behaviour towards anyone who he doesn't deem rich enough or aristocratic enough to deserve any acknowledgement or courtesy from him.

Not one bit. He won't even face a fraction of the consequences a person without his privilege and protection would. But he should face what music he has to face. Plenty of people in the world are brought up by emotionally constipated parents who compensate with money and indulgence and they don't end up befriending paedophiles and become sex offenders.

I'm glad that you left the UK too. One less paedophile excuser and victim blamer is to be celebrated.

Anyone referring to trafficked and sexuallly abused girls and women as 'females' is such a red flag.

As for Andrew being a 'delightful' young man. He has always been an arrogant shit but he was fairly handsome for a short period of time so his behaviour was excused. He managed to find a wife who is as loathsome and entitled as he is. His downfall is thoroughly deserved.

I feel the man has been punished enough.

No, he has not, and I doubt that he ever will be.

He has not been charged with anything. He has been released under investigation, which means that the police are still collecting evidence. He may or may not be charged when the investigation is complete.

Ridiculous..of course I don't feel sorry for him.
Karma has thankfully come to bite his sorry arse and it couldn't have happened to a more deserving person