Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

[busymomtoone]

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

Not only Andrew
The whole lot
The rich, the powerful,movie stars
Anyone who's ever set a foot on that Island
Probably the whole of Hollywood
Most of the world's politicians
All needs investigating
Obviously they won't, cuz they're all protecting each other.
However, why would you care if one evil got caught?
Because the other evils haven't?
Interesting display of patriotism, save your sympathy to more deserving causes

He’s been made a scapegoat for the rest of them who are now getting away with murder, rape, child abuse and corruption.

So in that respect, I feel sorry for him.

And as a poster said, it’s a public witch-hunt.

We are being played like instruments. The higher-ups have decided that Andrew will take the hit and Joe Public will bay for blood and we will get the modern day equivalent of a public execution.

And then we forget about the whole thing and forget about the rest of them who no doubt have set up their seedy practices on another remote island and will carry on business as normal.

it’s sickening.

I don’t have empathy but I can understand his shock. I met him in the early 2000s through work and we were told he can be quite volatile and you never know what to expect. He was actually quite nice but it proves his whole team knew exactly what he was like all along. It bothers me that no one stepped in to stop it from happening.

I have equally little sympathy for Sarah, who essentially is just a massive free loader, she totally knew what was going on a went along with it. I don’t know about the girls, I feel like they’ve inherited the entitlement but probably trusted their parents as most kids would. I wonder whether H&M will say anything on this given how much they’ve had to say about the RF when it suits them so far and for much less. B&E are about the only people he has any connection to but it sounds like they might be outcast fairly soon too.

I just resent that this will be in the news for months. I never wish to see any Epstein photos again

Absolutely no sympathy! No one should be above the law and it should not have taken the removal of his titles for him to face the consequences of his actions! Sadly, this while linked to Epstein, is not really about the abuse of girls and young women! He’s still got a nice home to live in and will continue to funded by his brother!

Like Harry, he has been brought up in such a privileged world, that he will never, ever, “get” what he’s done wrong, because his actions have never had any consequences.

Andrew has treated people like shit all his life, he is probably shell shocked at being on the receiving end of it.

zero sympathy here.

Oh for goodness sake. NO. Next thing you'll be feeling sorry for Ghislaine Maxwell too. Absolute rot. Hes had every opportunity and privilege and through a long life could have chosen to do the right thing and consistently and actively chose not to, and to hurt and damage others, including his own country.

A bit unfair blaming the public for being annoyed at his decades of sleaze and corruption.

I don't think you can compare Harry and Andrew. Yes Harry is entitled and the constant whingeing about his family is tiresome but he actually hasn't done or being accused of anything illegal, paid off a sexual abuse victim or being close friends with a known trafficker.

The worst Harry is is annoying and if anything I have more admiration for him for walking away from that absolute shit show that is the royal family. He isn't even the same orbit for what Andrew has done.

No. He’s arrogant and thought he was above everyone and everything.

Also he is British so our responsibility. The rest of them as pp has said, we in the UK can't really do much about. But he has done it to the UK tax payer. He has cost us and he has betrayed us. So that isn't scapegoating him for the others.
He can only be prosecuted here for laws he has broken here. That's not a witch hunt or being made a scapegoat it's the least he deserves. The US needs to get it's act together and start prosecutions.
But hey blame the public for being disgusted at his behaviour.

This imo

Is this post a joke? Listen or read Andrew Lownies book Entitled and you won’t feel a shred of sympathy.

Harry act detests Andrew. He punched him at a family event when Andrew warned him off marrying MM as she was “too old”.

William describes Andrew as “a twat”.

No sympathy from me. He's a proven liar and god knows what else will come out. I'll reserve my sympathy for Virginia and all the other victims of Epstein. I wish they could find the young girl in the recent photo with him and check that she is safe. How can anyone with daughters of his own treat young women like he did. And he was heavily involved with the NSPCC !

You are unusually kind and humane OP. I don’t think there are many with any sympathy for him especially as he was handed everything on a plate. But I also think it’s a good thing to be able to see people still as human even when they have done terrible things to others (allegedly). It’s fundamental to our justice system and to our social contract really.

Of course I can compare their entitlement. I never said Harry was a user of women, just that he was entitled, he, like Andrew has no idea of the real world and how real people live.

Why did they give him any kind of public role if they’re knew he was a volatile liability? Because he was the Queens favourite or did they just not realise quite what a liability. This is what is so concerning that absolute twats get into positions of power with no accountability for years and years. But having a republic makes no difference to this as we can see from across the pond.

I do actually. I both think it’s just what is happening to him, and can feel a tiny bit of empathy for him on a human level. My empathetic brain is still able to imagine what he must be feeling. Even if he deserves it ( assuming he’s guilty).

I also think the Royal family is an institution that creates and incubates fucked up people, perhaps especially for second borns. We should probably ban it for that reason alone.

Literally no idea what you are trying to say! Sorry just not getting the connection or point you are trying to make here. Never mind though I’m not that invested in whether people sympathise with Andrew or not!

I think this terrible situation should be a massive wake up call for those who fawn and pander around revolving people in positions of power. Especially those who obtained power through inherited titles and didn’t earn it any way whatsoever and who abuse people.

And yet he left. He left the entitled family and moved on without them.
Hell of a difference between someone being so entitled they molested women and children and someone feeling entitled to... Go low contact with his birth family despite the privilege he'd grown up in and start trying to find out about the world outside the castle gates.

Big difference in Andrew potentially watching children tortured and harry. Wanting the press not to print his children's faces.

If you really think they are 'as bad as each other' I'd have to question your judgement

Not in a million years. Sexual predator exploiting young girls. Hidden behind privilege. Deserves everything he gets- which unfortunately probably won’t happen. Feel sorry for his daughters but not him.

If it was a random bloke down the road, would you feel sorry for him?

FFS OP - when i went to the police and reported the man that raped me my father told me I was ruining a man's life for something I couldn't change and to think about his future instead of revenge.
You sound just like him. You reap what you sow and considering some of the reporting from mainstream newspapers suggest tue FBI are investigating if he was watching an 8 year old girl tortured with electric shocks I hope he gets exactly that.

My addict brother says AMW is “obviously suffering from an addiction” and “needs help”.

My position is he’s not suffering anywhere near enough.

No sympathy therefore.

That said, with this latest disgrace I am taking less ghoulish delight in his downfall. I am just glad that the justice system seems to be getting into gear. A suivre!