Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

[busymomtoone]

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

Is he to be treated like any member of the public in other ways? Where we withdraw his security for example? Where the argument over his residence means he gets to go on a 12 year long points dictated social housing list? Because if we treat him like any other members of the public in every other way then yes I'll accept innocent until proven guilty. Will we go back in time and investigate the allegations made against him previously where the victim was paid off by our countries monarch?

plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support

It is good to be compassionate but, in my opinion, this is simply disproportionate.
No, I do not feel sorry for him, because I can’t as yet see what would be deserving of sympathy.

Or that dreadful Lady Victoria Hervey perhaps?

It’s mind blowing!

I agree, paedophiles would not be attracted to 16+ year old girls because they look fairly ‘adult’. The word is bandied around a lot which is very unhelpful because it needs to be reserved for the specific offending against very young children.

If he knew Virginia was trafficked, it makes him a rapist. If he didn’t it makes him incredibly sleazy, pretty disgusting and morally bankrupt but not a criminal.

I think it would be unlikely any associate of Epstein’s wouldn’t know there was something sinister about his island full of girls though. So no, I don’t feel sorry for him.

That's an absolutely disgraceful comparison.

Andrew has been arrested because he is believed to have committed a crime. He hasn't been murdered by the police.

You know the police aren't meant to kill people, even if they have criminal convictions?

I have this 1961 Australian Women's Weekly magazine, with Andrew on the cover on his first birthday.

I feel a bit sorry for this baby, knowing what's ahead for him, but I don't feel sorry for the 66-year-old.

DS said this some months ago. Apparently, VG said some while ago that if she was found dead, it wasn't going to be from suicide (or words to that effect).

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Not in the slightest. He’s a privileged twat.

my point and context was if you are expressing surprise at the support for andrew who some consider a criminal then george was also a criminal yet got support even considering his crimes, were omg etc

bottom line the public love trial by media, yet heaven forbid the public get prejudged

🤢🤮 how obscene when considered alongside the stories of babies in the Epstein files. If that baby had been born a different time and place he could have been trafficked to a millionaire paedophile like JE victims, that trafficking enabled and covered up by powerful men like Andrew mount attention windsor.

That photo is a stark and horrific reminder of the accident of birth that leads to such level of inequality

Nope

I think his behaviour has been awful of course but I do feel that there has been a witch hunt against him purely because he is part of our royal family and British people seem to enjoy seeing people fall from grace.

Would you feel sorry for “John” who lived on benefits, in a council flat who’s picture appeared in the local rag after being arrested for something similar?

No. Aside from all the terrible sexual and financial stories, there are endless accounts of his abysmal treatment of other people and boorish self-serving. A friend of a friend was in the navy with him during the Falklands period and said he was thoroughly obnoxious and despised by all. (Only he said it with more swear words involved.)

I read Ben Mcintyre's The Siege not that long ago and while the police and the SAS were in the middle of dealing with the Iranian Embassy siege, the 20 year old Andrew repeatedly badgered them to give him a tour of the operations and provide him with a sit-down lunch.

Lock in up in prison with all the other paedos, nonces and short-eyes.

Support for someone murdered publicly by state police forces is a proportionate response.

If george floyd had been taken for questioning for a crime, released on bail to await trial I doubt there'd have been much out ry.

If a group of police officers had picked up Andrew, held him down and proceeded to kneel on his neck while he cried for his mother until he suffocated to death despite onlookers videoing in horror and asking them to stop I think most people probably would feel some compassion for him.

Can you see the difference there?

George floyd was murdered without trial by the police due to suspicion of robbing a convenience store. AMH has been taken on for questioning and released pending further investigation despite decades of sex trafficking allegations and now evidence coming to light of sharing state secrets with a convicted sex trafficking paedophile.

Please tell me you understand why people's responses to your straw man argument are incredulity?

No.

Wait, why are we mad at hyperopes?

Well said.

There are lots of desperate attempts to deflect and derail threads.

Nope. His behaviour has ruined lives. That girl in that photo he's lying over looks like a child. He is facing consequences for the first time in his life.

That's interesting. I searched 'Frogmore' in the Epstein Files and felt very uncomfortable reading an interview with a woman who said she was sexually assaulted by Andrew as a child.

Don't be so bloody soft.

He's shocked because he was treated like a mere commoner, one of the lumpen proletariat.

And probably because he realises that this means the Police will be going through every record, every email, every scrap of property, every online search he's ever made and video he's ever watched. Because there's nobody to hide behind anymore.

Yes, and my point is that the outrage over George Floyd was justified because a) even criminals deserve not be murdered and b) the police should not be murdering people.

Feeling sorry for Andrew being peacefully arrested in the investigation of crimes is nothing alike. Even if it was - boo hoo - on his birthday.