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New Epstein allegation horrifying

350 replies

Daygloboo · 18/02/2026 23:20

Just that. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse. Now horrific allegations about a property on New Mexico.

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BeaRightThere · 19/02/2026 07:50

Gunsgunsguns · 19/02/2026 00:42

I once had a very intelligent young lady (training to be a lawyer) tell me with dead certainty pizzagate was real. I was like what is that!? Have heard it but never really looked at it. She said it’s an elite ring of powerful people who rape, torture and kill children. I thought she was bonkers. But noted also very strange as not in her character to be a wild conspiracy theorist and she did look deadly serious. But even if true - how could you actually know that.

Maybe she was right!

FFS. Very intelligent and training to be a lawyer. As if that means she has special insight.

This is all just the new Satanic panic.

deadpan · 19/02/2026 07:50

AutumnedCrow · 18/02/2026 23:50

The Express is running allegations about Andrew at Frogmore Cottage. I’ve posted on another thread.

I seriously don’t know what to think or believe at this point.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2172732/new-andrew-bombshell-epstein-files

That article is very confusing at the start because in the first paragraph it says the electric shocks were administered to a "6 to 8" year old child and in the next sentence says the shocks were administered to a woman.

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if there are girls bodies buried in new Mexico or that girls/women were tortured at this point

NeelyOHara · 19/02/2026 07:51

Sheeshsville · 19/02/2026 07:36

What happened to Tom Watson and his involvement in trying to uncover some of this? I remember being quite excited a few years ago, that he seemed to be a hope for pushing forward investigations. Or am I mis-remembering things? Did he get discredited in some way?

Very much so, I believed him though. So many victims were able to describe the flats and the sauna at dolphin square, so many similar stories by the victims.

Carla786 · 19/02/2026 07:52

BeaRightThere · 19/02/2026 07:50

FFS. Very intelligent and training to be a lawyer. As if that means she has special insight.

This is all just the new Satanic panic.

Yes, just because someone's intellectually smart & training in law doesn't mean they have common sense/critical thinking.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 19/02/2026 07:54

Many of the headlines have been sheer muckraking, speculative bullshit though. They report allegations as if they are true, and flimsy connections as if they are evidence.
‘The Queen shook hands with Michael Jackson- shock revelation!’
’Kate Moss and Epstein pictured together at 50th bash!’.

After years of headlines like that, people (me) tune it out as scandal mongering dross.

If we are now getting actual evidence of actual crimes more significant than the usual ‘mega rich man uses his power to get what he wants’ stories, then it’s sickening that no one managed to expose any of this before.

My biggest concern (apart from the actual victims of crime obviously) is Andrew’s security being complicit. His security should have been impartial, not in his pocket. All the other rich men’s security I understand having been carefully selected, bought and paid for. His was provided by our system.

43percentburnt · 19/02/2026 07:57

Why didn’t the Biden administration release all this? Or Obama? Both of them men had access

Carla786 · 19/02/2026 07:58

smallglassbottle · 19/02/2026 00:58

People laugh at the pizzagate stuff, but the truth is swirling around in there. There's a disturbing youtube video of ellen degeneres going on about pizza in front of an audience. It's so weird and now with the knowledge we now have.......

I doubt Ellen is a child cannibal. Snopes note other attempts to link such atrocities stuff to her but I'm sceptical.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ellen-degeneres-cannibalism-epstein/

Epstein files don't show Ellen DeGeneres is a cannibal

The files do contain references to cannibalism and ritualistic sacrifice, but they are not linked to DeGeneres.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ellen-degeneres-cannibalism-epstein/

Shedmistress · 19/02/2026 08:07

I'd be more surprised if there wasn't a ranch somewhere with dead bodies buried on it.

Anonanonay · 19/02/2026 08:10

Gunsgunsguns · 19/02/2026 00:42

I once had a very intelligent young lady (training to be a lawyer) tell me with dead certainty pizzagate was real. I was like what is that!? Have heard it but never really looked at it. She said it’s an elite ring of powerful people who rape, torture and kill children. I thought she was bonkers. But noted also very strange as not in her character to be a wild conspiracy theorist and she did look deadly serious. But even if true - how could you actually know that.

Maybe she was right!

I had a massive argument with a friend who said the same. I told her she was being ridiculous. And now there's people in the Epstein files clearly using the words 'pizza' and 'jerky' as some kind of code.

I think I'm going to have to apologise to my friend.

exhaustedmum24 · 19/02/2026 08:11

EasternStandard · 19/02/2026 07:49

I haven’t seen any of this, only one clip of a young woman distressed from ages ago. I didn’t look to see how real it was.

are you in about that model? Gabriela rico Jimenez she went to a party as she was just starting her modelling career and come out very scared and distressed and said they are eating humans and shouting it out in the street there’s a video of it! Then she was never seen again! That was in 2009 she also says she knew about the murders but not them eating humans!!!!!

Anonanonay · 19/02/2026 08:12

Carla786 · 19/02/2026 07:52

Yes, just because someone's intellectually smart & training in law doesn't mean they have common sense/critical thinking.

Indeed. Think of all the smart, professional women who believe men can actually be women or that mass immigration is good for the economy.

Sitonyourdressmavis · 19/02/2026 08:14

Genuine question: why is more not happening about this? Are we all desensitised? Or is it so deep and widespread that whole governments would collapse? The fbi have literally said there's child p and death in the files . Why isn't more happening?

Carla786 · 19/02/2026 08:17

Anonanonay · 19/02/2026 08:12

Indeed. Think of all the smart, professional women who believe men can actually be women or that mass immigration is good for the economy.

Exactly.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 19/02/2026 08:22

Sitonyourdressmavis · 19/02/2026 08:14

Genuine question: why is more not happening about this? Are we all desensitised? Or is it so deep and widespread that whole governments would collapse? The fbi have literally said there's child p and death in the files . Why isn't more happening?

Presumably because they are actually gathering and pinning down evidence rather than trying to go to court on the basis of some emails?

We don’t hear the details of serious crimes while they are being investigated. And the amount of information being discussed- it will be a mammoth task trying to join the dots, gather the evidence etc. I would expect the authorities in the places the crimes were committed to be investigating quietly, so individuals aren’t alerted as to what to expect.

What would you expect to be happening, that we would know about?

EasternStandard · 19/02/2026 08:23

exhaustedmum24 · 19/02/2026 08:11

are you in about that model? Gabriela rico Jimenez she went to a party as she was just starting her modelling career and come out very scared and distressed and said they are eating humans and shouting it out in the street there’s a video of it! Then she was never seen again! That was in 2009 she also says she knew about the murders but not them eating humans!!!!!

Yes I saw it on IG. It sounds like a real clip.Real as in it exists.

Daisydoo23 · 19/02/2026 08:31

Gunsgunsguns · 19/02/2026 00:42

I once had a very intelligent young lady (training to be a lawyer) tell me with dead certainty pizzagate was real. I was like what is that!? Have heard it but never really looked at it. She said it’s an elite ring of powerful people who rape, torture and kill children. I thought she was bonkers. But noted also very strange as not in her character to be a wild conspiracy theorist and she did look deadly serious. But even if true - how could you actually know that.

Maybe she was right!

I have heard of this and i thought it was weird how he said he was taking his children to pizza express for a party on the day he was supposed to have met Virginia.

BeaRightThere · 19/02/2026 08:31

Shedmistress · 19/02/2026 08:07

I'd be more surprised if there wasn't a ranch somewhere with dead bodies buried on it.

Get ready to be surprised then

BeaRightThere · 19/02/2026 08:33

Daisydoo23 · 19/02/2026 08:31

I have heard of this and i thought it was weird how he said he was taking his children to pizza express for a party on the day he was supposed to have met Virginia.

Listen to yourself. Please. This is deranged

catipuss · 19/02/2026 08:34

So it's another Epstein property where he did what he did. And there is an anonymous email saying two girls were buried there, anything is possible but I don't find one anonymous email very convincing. By all means search the place, they seem to have searched everywhere else and not found any proof of the more lurid stories. What he did was bad enough without all the conspiracy theories.

Quine0nline · 19/02/2026 08:35

Are there any other people accused of offences apart from trump and Andrew Windsor? I get it that if you are anti monarchy you want amb in the headlines all the time and if you hate trump you want him named at every opportunity but there must be a lot of others. Why are they not being named and repeatedly publicised?

catipuss · 19/02/2026 08:37

Trump is bullet proof and Andrew is the scapegoat, he isn't dangerous so they can go for him. I suspect a lot of the other men involved you wouldn't want to cross.

Londontown12 · 19/02/2026 08:45

Gunsgunsguns · 19/02/2026 00:42

I once had a very intelligent young lady (training to be a lawyer) tell me with dead certainty pizzagate was real. I was like what is that!? Have heard it but never really looked at it. She said it’s an elite ring of powerful people who rape, torture and kill children. I thought she was bonkers. But noted also very strange as not in her character to be a wild conspiracy theorist and she did look deadly serious. But even if true - how could you actually know that.

Maybe she was right!

My daughter also spoke of this to me !
And she is very level headed and it shocked me !

User253853 · 19/02/2026 08:47

The whole thing is being deliberately mixed up and altered. There is so much out there which is AI generated mixed up with the real stuff and so unless you are actually going into the website and downloading the documents you don't know whether they are part of the actual release and even then they are redacted or not released in full.

The reference to eating flesh is "jerky". There are lots of emails about it online but I haven't been in and downloaded anything to know whether the documents that come up on insta feeds or facebook are real or AI generated - and if they are fake whether they are fake to discredit those involved or put out by those involved to try to discredit the files as a whole and confuse the masses.

User253853 · 19/02/2026 08:49

Londontown12 · 19/02/2026 08:45

My daughter also spoke of this to me !
And she is very level headed and it shocked me !

How would she know unless she was directly involved?

She may have heard it, she may believe it but she doesn't know for sure.

DevilsFoot · 19/02/2026 08:53

Go to the department of justice, Epstein files online. Very easy to access. You just have to confirm you are over 18. Search for the word "jerky"