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New Epstein allegation horrifying

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Daygloboo · 18/02/2026 23:20

Just that. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse. Now horrific allegations about a property on New Mexico.

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Daygloboo · 19/02/2026 01:29

HelenaWaiting · 19/02/2026 01:27

Have you considered putting the crowbar down?

What?

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InLoveWithAI · 19/02/2026 01:39

I once went down the 'pizzagate cabal' rabbit hole. And back then I laughed at how bonkers it was that anybody thought that could be true...

However, now...

Daygloboo · 19/02/2026 01:43

InLoveWithAI · 19/02/2026 01:39

I once went down the 'pizzagate cabal' rabbit hole. And back then I laughed at how bonkers it was that anybody thought that could be true...

However, now...

Do you think this is it or do you think that is another thing ?

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Carla786 · 19/02/2026 01:46

Daygloboo · 19/02/2026 01:43

Do you think this is it or do you think that is another thing ?

I don't think bringing up pizza gate is helpful. Epstein was abusing teenage girls. Pizza gate was alleging abuse and cannibalism of babies. Doesn't make Epstein any less vile...

Muffinmam · 19/02/2026 01:54

Yes. Allegedly, it was where the bodies were buried but the FBI never even raided it!!

The day after Epstein was arrested an order came through for 6 x massive drums of sulphuric acid. He had zero reason for that much sulphuric acid. Sulphuric acid has certain commercial uses - but I highly doubt he was doing anything that legally required such massive quantities.

Sulphuric acid can completely dissolve bodies.

I read through some of the emails when they were first available and the contents were so sick.

The FBI has protected the predators. This isn’t a conspiracy theory - the Attorney General has been called out for lying to a congressional hearing. The lie related to there being no evidence against Trump when the reality was a witness came forward about a woman who was supplied by Epstein to Trump and was SA’d by Trump and later murdered.

I had to stop reading. They were eating babies. It’s sick. It’s so sick.

Daygloboo · 19/02/2026 01:58

Carla786 · 19/02/2026 01:46

I don't think bringing up pizza gate is helpful. Epstein was abusing teenage girls. Pizza gate was alleging abuse and cannibalism of babies. Doesn't make Epstein any less vile...

No, this latest allegation is suggesting that murders of yoing girls took place at the New Mexico ranch..And all sorts of other weird shit too. A congresswoman from the state is trying to have it properly investigated.

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Muffinmam · 19/02/2026 01:58

Carla786 · 19/02/2026 01:46

I don't think bringing up pizza gate is helpful. Epstein was abusing teenage girls. Pizza gate was alleging abuse and cannibalism of babies. Doesn't make Epstein any less vile...

Pizzagate was a completely different conspiracy theory.

In Epstein’s emails they used coded language and pizza referred to little girls.

There is also reference in the Epstein files about eating babies. It’s in there. I’m not going to say specifically - but the reference is absolutely horrifying.

It isn’t just trafficking underage teenagers. Epstein was trafficking children and babies. To this day the FBI has done nothing to track down the babies. There is evidence of the births via diaries the girls kept and even sonograms.

Daygloboo · 19/02/2026 02:03

Muffinmam · 19/02/2026 01:54

Yes. Allegedly, it was where the bodies were buried but the FBI never even raided it!!

The day after Epstein was arrested an order came through for 6 x massive drums of sulphuric acid. He had zero reason for that much sulphuric acid. Sulphuric acid has certain commercial uses - but I highly doubt he was doing anything that legally required such massive quantities.

Sulphuric acid can completely dissolve bodies.

I read through some of the emails when they were first available and the contents were so sick.

The FBI has protected the predators. This isn’t a conspiracy theory - the Attorney General has been called out for lying to a congressional hearing. The lie related to there being no evidence against Trump when the reality was a witness came forward about a woman who was supplied by Epstein to Trump and was SA’d by Trump and later murdered.

I had to stop reading. They were eating babies. It’s sick. It’s so sick.

Well then we're talking about psychopaths, plain and simple, arent we; doesnt matter how rich,..... and they need to be exposed and imprisoned.

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Famousinlove · 19/02/2026 02:20

AutumnedCrow · 19/02/2026 00:54

Or pizzagate is maybe a cunning plan to weave a tale so crazy that no-one believes it, or it can be disproved thus leaving everyone feeling a bit silly; and so the marginally less awful stuff flies under the radar.

They’re sniffing around Andrew again, Philip.’

Put out the lizard story again, Cabbage, that’ll shut them up for while.’

Yes there's a theory that some powerful people involved (like the Clintons) weaved fake (slightly ridiculous) information into it so that it could be debunked as false.

A lot of people are quick to write these off as conspiracy theories because they sound so ludacris they can't possibly be true.. well up until very recently, most people didn't believe P Diddy was running a sex trafficking ring 'he's a successful billionaire why would he do that?'

tangotingo · 19/02/2026 02:35

I’ve been shocked at the lack of outcry in the media over the 16 year old girl whose journal was released in the Epstein files. It has been mentioned that this particular girl had vulnerabilities including autism. She was forced to bear 3 pregnancies for Epstein and had a miscarriage, late-term forced abortion and then a live birth in which she spent 15 minutes with the child who was then taken away and she never knew what happened to them.

Then when they finally released her story in the most recent release of the Epstein files, they didn’t even bother to redact her name properly from an ultrasound photo that was included in the document, meaning the poor girl is no doubt probably being stalked and harassed.

It’s absolutely fucking pathetic how this has been dealt with.

ProudWomanXX · 19/02/2026 02:35

AutumnedCrow · 19/02/2026 00:11

Not that I can see. But even the Express has lawyers.

And yes, it does seem like la la land right now. And no, I don’t know what to believe right this minute.

It was on News night, so pretty well grounded in facts, I'd say

Daygloboo · 19/02/2026 02:43

Daygloboo · 18/02/2026 23:20

Just that. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse. Now horrific allegations about a property on New Mexico.

I read a good book recently by Mia Farrow's son about his attempts to investigate Harvey Weinstein. He was subjected to all sorts of intimidation and harrassment during the course of his research. It was really shocking. e.g Being stalked by private investigators who'd once worked for well.known intelligence agencies etc. Literally being in fear of his life at times. So there are definitely powerful people out there who may have engaged in heinous crimes and will go to any lengths to.protect themselves. I dont think people.should .be too quick to dismiss allegations as sensationalist rubbish..I'm sure the Epstein thing wouldnt have gained so much traction if it was mostly conspiratorial drivel. I do hope everything will be investigated and people brought to justice even if it takes years.

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Brassknucks · 19/02/2026 03:06

I’ve always felt the more wild claims (cannibalism/murder/torture) have been pushed out to muddy waters and take away from the true and already horrific events that occurred to children 12+ on that island. I used to think that it was lies being circulated to make the real crimes seem less serious in comparison to eating babies and murdering. To almost drown victims statements. - Hey look, I only raped a 15 year old, not ate her newborn, I’m not that bad.

These days I’m not so sure. A man I was friends with downloaded over 9000 videos and images of the most extreme torture and abuse videos including murder of children and made friends online with a network of men with his own sick fantasies. Just an ordinary bloke, like the millions of others who share his twisted predilections.
These people always find one another. Online, in prisons, look back to the historic claims of child abuse in institutions, even back to Victorian eras a peado has always found itself drawn to other peados. I did a course on safeguarding over 20 years ago now and that was all apart of it. There was something that stuck with me, a story the teacher told us. A group of siblings from a rural American town were telling their teacher that they’d be hurt sexually by Disney characters. They would say they’d been forced to perform sex acts on Mickey Mouse etc so the children were completed ignored and seen as liars. What was actually happening was their parents were selling them out and the abusers wore Disney masks to hide their identity and make their claims sound bonkers.
We know nonces are smart, they groom everyone around them. There are stories constantly of murdered children who’ve died from sexual and physical abuse from the hands of parents or grandparents, even uncles or siblings. AI has been used by these sick individuals to create personalised abuse images for secretly paedophillic fathers/grandfathers of their own children. These people are out there just living ordinary lives. So with money/power/privilege what the fuck are these people getting away with really? It seems so extreme and shocking to us because we aren’t sexually aroused by children, quite the contrary, we are disgusted at those who are.

I’m not sure what I believe has happened and I suspect that lots of it is sensationalist to make the real story seem more palatable. But equally I don’t think any of the accusations are remotely difficult to believe when a group of elites have money to access the most beautiful women on the planet, the fact they are curating actual children and not those women (20+) speaks of a certain predisposition towards children.

Maybe it’s real, maybe it’s basement dwelling lunatics enjoying seeing their claims go viral. It all needs investigation. But we should all keep an open mind as grotesque as the truth may be, we shouldn’t dismiss anything as crackpot crazy because frankly we don’t know.
But we need to keep being angry, keep demanding answers and find ways to keep children safe from groomers. They could be your child’s teacher, friends parent, a religious figure or shopkeeper. Not being trusting with our DC is the only way to protect them. Limit access to them, keep them offline, remember that anonymous studies have proven men who were asked if the could suffer no consequences and remain anonymous would they abuse a children said yes, yes they would. In droves. Ordinary men if guaranteed protection from sexually abusing children would do it and it needs to be branded into all our consciousness, treat everyone with a healthy amount of suspicion when it comes to kids.

Carla786 · 19/02/2026 03:20

Muffinmam · 19/02/2026 01:54

Yes. Allegedly, it was where the bodies were buried but the FBI never even raided it!!

The day after Epstein was arrested an order came through for 6 x massive drums of sulphuric acid. He had zero reason for that much sulphuric acid. Sulphuric acid has certain commercial uses - but I highly doubt he was doing anything that legally required such massive quantities.

Sulphuric acid can completely dissolve bodies.

I read through some of the emails when they were first available and the contents were so sick.

The FBI has protected the predators. This isn’t a conspiracy theory - the Attorney General has been called out for lying to a congressional hearing. The lie related to there being no evidence against Trump when the reality was a witness came forward about a woman who was supplied by Epstein to Trump and was SA’d by Trump and later murdered.

I had to stop reading. They were eating babies. It’s sick. It’s so sick.

Eating babies? Where did you read that???

Dawnintheageofaquariams · 19/02/2026 03:22

Rich men, looking at you DJT, do what they want.
Hope that this will all come out, but I doubt it.

Carla786 · 19/02/2026 03:23

It's so depressing how common these kind of evil (usually) men are. I was reading about a respected historian recently for my uni degree, and articles came up saying he'd been had up in Spain for looking at sex abuse images of children under 12! It's everywhere,,or at least, far too many places...

Carla786 · 19/02/2026 03:28

Muffinmam · 19/02/2026 01:58

Pizzagate was a completely different conspiracy theory.

In Epstein’s emails they used coded language and pizza referred to little girls.

There is also reference in the Epstein files about eating babies. It’s in there. I’m not going to say specifically - but the reference is absolutely horrifying.

It isn’t just trafficking underage teenagers. Epstein was trafficking children and babies. To this day the FBI has done nothing to track down the babies. There is evidence of the births via diaries the girls kept and even sonograms.

So he was trafficking preteens and babies? Teens like poor VG have been mentioned, but why have we not heard about the others?? The Prees must not hide this.

StartingFreshFor2026 · 19/02/2026 03:44

Muffinmam · 19/02/2026 01:58

Pizzagate was a completely different conspiracy theory.

In Epstein’s emails they used coded language and pizza referred to little girls.

There is also reference in the Epstein files about eating babies. It’s in there. I’m not going to say specifically - but the reference is absolutely horrifying.

It isn’t just trafficking underage teenagers. Epstein was trafficking children and babies. To this day the FBI has done nothing to track down the babies. There is evidence of the births via diaries the girls kept and even sonograms.

I actually don't understand- eating babies is referenced in the publicly available Epstein files but no major reporter / media outlet has picked it up?

SpidersAreShitheads · 19/02/2026 04:29

I haven’t had time to properly delve into the Epstein files properly just yet but the little I have read is truly shocking.

I don’t mean this to sound flippant, but until recently I thought this was all about powerful men who “just” liked to have sex with barely legal girls who had been coerced into complying.

Obviously that’s bad enough, and in another time that would have been sufficient to launch investigations and get people prosecuted. And rightly so.

But clearly what went on is far, far worse - and no one seems to be doing much other than huffing a bit. There’s testimony about the rape and murder of young teens. Pam fucking Bondi lying about things that we can all blatantly see are there in black and white. It’s utter madness. Sure, she’s been bollocked but does anyone actually have any power to do anything? Seemingly not. It feels as if this is going to blow over - along with any of Trump’s other outrageous behaviours that break the law, or those of his representatives (like the ICE murders).

I think depravity and corruption runs much deeper than anyone realised. There is a circle of very powerful men who used vulnerable young girls for their sickest fantasies with literally no consequence.

It feels surreal. It’s like something out of a dark spy thriller - but it’s not fiction.

Maybe that’s the problem; this is so enormous and so awful it’s impossible to truly grasp.

I really hope there’s someone with power in the US that has the drive to get this properly investigated. The trouble is, I’m not sure there’s anyone left to do it. Trump has removed everyone who’s competent at their job in agencies like the FBI and replaced them with inexperienced nonentities who will do his bidding.

This can’t be allowed to drop but who is there to get this done??

HollyGolightly4 · 19/02/2026 04:54

How do we know what's true in the Epstein files? How do we know if something has been generated by AI?

I'm not saying the capability for evil isn't there in the slightest, but how do we verify information? Really struggling with this.

MyTrivia · 19/02/2026 05:02

YANBU. My adult children and I are all very upset about it.

HelenaWaiting · 19/02/2026 05:14

Daygloboo · 19/02/2026 01:29

What?

It wasn't aimed at you. It was aimed at the person trying to crowbar the discredited pizzagate scandal into your thread.

user1492757084 · 19/02/2026 05:21

It gets more horrific by the day.
The victims need to put up their hands, be identified, press charges and go to court.
Otherwise the whole sordid thing is not verifiable.
It is trial by media.

Scraps of paper, photos without clarification, emails which could be false, could be true. Imagination is rife; wild putrid stories need to be verified.
The once prince, Andrew, is sitting out like a duck but we need to see proper evidence not repeated suspicions.

Powerful men have to be interviewed, arrested etc.
There will be plenty who will be innocent (but used by Epstein's networking) who need to see the truth come out too.

It is very clever of Trump to not give Maxwell impunity.

Some powerful men, and women, need to be given impunity to rat on Epstein's inner sanctums.
Trump could even give himself impunity and divulge a whole lot.
Surely there were cleaners, gardeners, pilots etc.
The public will not be satisfied unless the law does it's job.

MyTrivia · 19/02/2026 05:29

HollyGolightly4 · 19/02/2026 04:54

How do we know what's true in the Epstein files? How do we know if something has been generated by AI?

I'm not saying the capability for evil isn't there in the slightest, but how do we verify information? Really struggling with this.

The things I’ve seen that are horrifying are emails to / from Epstein saying things like ‘I really enjoyed that torture video’.