To think Lowe is going to wipe the floor with Farage?

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Just that. AIBU to think this is the end of Farage?

Evidence of 6 per room please?

It is illegal to enter the UK or be in the UK without an appropriate visa.

You should tell the house of commons since according to you, they've got it all wrong....

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10337/

I'll draw your attention to this passage:

Isn’t it perfectly legal for people to enter the UK by any means necessary if claiming asylum?

It is a criminal offence to arrive in the UK without a visa if one is required. Claiming asylum does not provide immunity against criminal prosecution for illegal entry.

On the other hand, being accused or convicted of illegal entry is not a ground for refusing someone asylum under UK law. This reflects the Refugee Convention, which envisages that refugees may be “unlawfully in the country of refuge” (article 31).

Does unlawfully have a different meaning for you?

See, those sorts of unfounded insults do you no favours

I think he speaks for most ordinary folk, those struggling on whilst rather too many people are (perhaps falsely) claiming asylum or just arriving as migrants, then having their life funded by the UK taxpayer. Nothing done to assimilate them into the ‘British way’ of life, no purpose offered.
My father came from Ireland in the mid-50s as an economic migrant and worked hard until he was in his early 70s. He expected nothing, was certainly due nothing but overcame his rise from poverty in rural Ireland.
Now imagine how differently we might view these incomers is they could work, learn how to function alongside the majority, and were subject to the same checks and balances the rest of society, and how different we might treat them.
Instead we are repeatedly learning of criminal behaviour, particularly sexual assaults, taxis to fast track appointments and so on.
The one question is whether that equalisation of effort and behaviour would curb the input - or whether it would increase it.

2025 Report by Refugee and Migrant Forum in Essex and London. A charity licenced to level 3 in immigration, so subject to checks and audits in the event you doubted their credibility.

You do raise as bad as Farage is Lowe is worse. I’m hoping the both destroy each other. Lowe wants millions to go, not just illegals. He also said that millions of people should be made to feel uncomfortable so they leave on their own accord. What do you think this sounds like to you?

this country is getting weirder and more and more fascist by the minute

I’m right of centre but not far right, and happy to debate any time, any topic, without personal insults or using Instagram ‘evidence’.

The sneering superiority toward predominantly working class people doesn’t help your cause, though.

You’re misquoting today’s news that Musk has liked Lowe over Farage. That’s not ‘supported by’.

Some very selective reading you’ve got there.

The same information you’ve just shared, also says:

People must be physically in the UK to lodge an asylum claim. It is not possible to claim asylum from abroad and there is no asylum visa.

So they’ll have to arrive without a visa, won’t they, because they can’t get an asylum visa and can’t claim asylum from abroad. Which is what I said.

I didn’t say it wasn’t unlawful, I said they were rarely detained, because of the above. Which your information also says:

Most asylum seekers are not detained beyond the initial examination. UK law only allows for people to be detained for immigration purposes “where there is a realistic prospect of removal within a reasonable period”. Someone who has claimed asylum usually has a legal right to be in the UK until that claim is decided, so there will be no realistic prospect of removal within a reasonable period given that asylum decisions take months or years to process.

Do you always only read the parts you like?

If you aren't supporting a racist, far right party, then obviously I'm not talking about you.

Re the far right representating the working classes... see above.

Agreed. I grew up in a deprived working class town in the NE and couldn’t be less represented by either Farage or Lowe.

Apparently it's 'Restore Britain' - had to look it up

Ben Habib’s party? Is that the one with Tommy Ten names in or is there another? I thought Advance was merging with Lowe’s new one. It@/ quite difficult to keep track.

The more the merrier I say. Good luck to all of them trying to find 650 vetted candidates for an election that don’t have something dodgy in their background.

I thought you were the initial poster I responded to why said asylum seekers are not here illegally which they patently are.

I reckon he picked a name that sounded a bit like Reform UK in the hope that some voters would get muddled up between the two.

The grooming/ rape gangs involve mainly the systematic, organised abuse of children over the span of decades, aided and abetted by useful idiots in social services and police and are overwhelmingly made up of networks of men of Pakistani heritage.

This is simply not true and the fact that you (and so many people) believe it is, is driven by bad actors who want to manipulate the way people vote.

In terms of group-based offences, 85% of suspects are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black.

According to the 2021 census, 82% of the England and Wales population is white, compared with 9% Asian, 4% black and 2% mixed/other.

https://news.sky.com/story/child-sex-abuse-and-grooming-gangs-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-from-the-data-13285420

Also, the only party that does not believe immigration is a problem is the Green party. All others, including the current Labour government, are very clear that is is something they want to tackle.

And yet the midlands and North vote Reform in heavier numbers than the south.

Advance U.K. are apparently merging with Lowe! The other possibility is that Reform may form a coalition with any of the other far right parties.

I mean, I know they’ve all got egos bigger than the sun and they won’t enjoy sharing power, but if it’s the only way they can gain power they may be open to it, which is really disastrous news for the country because, not only are they individual stains on society, but their leaders massive senses of self importance will cause infighting on a scale never before seen.

I see beyond that and recognise that people in boats/asylum seekers aren’t the real problem. It’s the super rich. We are just being bombarded with the idea that it’s those below us stealing from us so we dont look up.

I think so, the MRP map is turquoise with a few dots if other colours rn

As for the people mentioned in the op they’ll probably all merge at some point.

Ah, thanks, didn't know they were merging.

Re coalition... that would only work in a FPTP system if they agreed not to stand against each other. I'm less than convinced that they will be willing to collaborate to that extent.

Under international law, there is no such thing as an "illegal" asylum seeker, as seeking asylum is a legal right, even if the person enters a country through irregular, undocumented, or unauthorised means. The method of entry may be illegal, while the act of claiming protection is legal.

Considering there is no asylum visa, and no way to claim asylum from outside of the country, how would you like asylum seekers to exercise their legal right to seek asylum?

They have to arrive unlawfully, we’re not giving them a legal route.

While I would be delighted to see the end of Farage, that man has nine political lives. And given Lowe's idea of partnering with local parties promises even more of a chaotic amateur hour than Reform itself, I think we might be looking at the end of Lowe (unless/until he crawls back to Nigel's side).

Yeah, that was the one that I was referring to. I hadn't clocked that they were merging. Agree it is hard to keep track of them all.

As for finding candidates without any dodgy backgrounds... good luck to them with that. Our local Reform council clearly didn't manage to find many councillors with "clean" records.

No doubt there will be more and more soon

Reform Reclaim Remake Restore Repair Rebuild etc etc etc. The thesaurus will be taking more of a battering than a photo of Holly Valance at their meetings. The Tories are infiltrating Reform at such a rate and there seem to be a lot of strong characters (narcissists) in Reform already so I fully expect some more offshoots as they bicker amongst themselves, which is inevitable whilst gaping gob Farage carries on spouting crap.

In some ways they are accelerating the general public gaining awareness of what the are all really up to as we are here worrying about the cost of living, bills, wages not being high enough and they aren’t addressing that just this huge focus on immigration and asylum seekers.