To think Lowe is going to wipe the floor with Farage?

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Just that. AIBU to think this is the end of Farage?

I think it’s great that Lowe has set up in opposition to Farage. Anything that splits the vote is positive.

I dont see why it matters what anyone’s motivation for helping up an enquiry into rape gangs is. It’s led by the victims (remember them).
Is it that the right thing can only be done by people with pure intentions? The outcome doesn’t matter as long as all the correct opinions are intact?

Of course it matters.

The only give a shit because it gets them money, not because they give a flying fuck about the actual victims or the outcome of their faux outrage. They aren't supporting victims in court or supporting organisations who care for the victims, it's all about the grift.

That’s technically incorrect.

Whether you like Lowe or not, I respect that he’s given the victims more of a voice than the many govt inquiries and allowed them to speak openly. He’s now supporting them with private prosecutions.

I’m glad for the survivors that they’re able to at least be supported to do something. They’ve been left to rot by previous govts because the subject is so distasteful. If the attention around this causes more convictions then I for one am glad for them.

It matters. Beause if a good thing is done to further a harmful cause, the ultimate harm done may outweigh the good.

What is the ultimate harm in survivors of grooming gangs seeking the prosecutions that they’ve been denied?

They’ve been used as political pawns by both sides but that’s meant most of the perpetrators have been denied rightful punishment.

So for me, I don’t care if it causes a political earthquake if victims get the justice they deserve. I’d also add that if it DOES cause an issue then it’s most likely an issue of worthwhile awareness.

One woman managed to get a 200k settlement from a private prosecution, the fucker who raped her is going to have to sell his house. I look forward to all the private prosecution to come (hopefully). Elon Musk has offered to help fund private legal action, which again I completely support. I am equally happy fir anyone wanting to pursue legal action against white rapists to do so as well.

I don’t understand women who are anti-raping kids until it’s politically inconvenient to them that people are talking about it. It really shouldn’t be about politics, it should be about justice.

Also I don’t understand what harm can come from survivors talking about their experiences. Except to the perpetrators of course, which I am extremely comfortable with.

Nah I read those emails, musk was like “erm nah I’m busy” and then “I’ll probably bring my wife”.

Probably shouldn’t accuse people of doing stuff if they probably haven’t.

Musk also pushed for the files to be released continuously when Trump tried to say they were a conspiracy theory. So it’d be an own goal if he was in them begging to partake in criminal activities.

The (non fake) emails I read were exactly as you say.

There is no direct harm to the survivors. The harm lies in the fact that through this act Rupert Lowe has gained some credibility amongst those who don't see further than this one act, as being supportive of women in general.
A closer look at the man reveals he is anything but, and if he managed to turns his ideas into reality the world would be a worse place for countless women.
I'm not a fan of the 'at least he...' defence of misogynists.

That’s an extremely generous interpretation of email chains that involve Musk requesting to go to the island after Epstein’s conviction in 2008. He literally asked to go on the night with the best parties and said a quiet island life wasn’t what he was looking for.

I think there needs to be an inquiry into the gangs (specific to the gangs in addition to the wider one into CSE generally) and In glad that one is finally happening. However, I can remember when there was a sudden upsurge in pressure for this inquiry and it coincided exactly with a government bill going through parliament to finally put some of the recommendations of the earlier report into CSE into practice. Some very opportunistic politicians egged on by Musk announced at the last minute that they were going to try to stop the bill if it didn't also include an add on about a new inquiry.

Which is just some of the most shameless politicking I can think of. Inquiries matter, but so does putting the results of the inquiries into practice. Otherwise you end up kicking issueinto the long grass by having inquiry after inquiry after inquiry so that politicians can say "lessons will be learnt" while learning absolutely nothing. It felt incredibly cynical for some right wing MPs to suddenly jump on the anti grooming train at that point. Especially because in doing so they were actively trying to block actual positive change.

The fact that the bill that was passed also included provisions about making large tech corporations more responsible for preventing abusers might have had something to do with Musks intervention of course.

That doesn't mean that, by association, pushing for the inquiry is bad now or that the inquiry shouldnt be happening. It's still a good thing. But how things are done does matter sometimes.

Sometimes a stopped clock can be right.
The most extreme historical example I can think of is the support for the abolition of the international slave trade that came not just from abolitionists but from slave owners who wanted to keep the price of the slaves they owned high. Very much supporting the right cause for the wrong reasons.

What gets me is that there were many people (many of them working class women) who fought tooth and nail for years to drag the grooming gangs into the spotlight and have something done. Finally, after it had been front and centre of peoples consciousness for years (the BBC now talks about it a lot. It absolutely isn't still covered up by the MSM even if it was once ignored) Lowe gets involved and we hear "noone has done more to draw attention". Ummm... No

Absolutely no shame on the women using Elon Musk offer of financial support to die their abusers or using Lowes platform to demand justice. They were treated appallingly and have every right to use any tools/resources available to them. That doesn't stop Musk and Lowe being awful people however.

I felt the same about Russel Brand making himself the face of those housing protesters years ago when he was in his lefty god phrase. And look how he turned out.