Lied to get a jab now friend is angry

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I don’t understand why my friend is annoyed at me as it doesn’t effect anyone else.. part of me thinks it’s jealousy but she’s not speaking to me because I told her how I managed to lose 1.5stone.
backstory- I lied to get an online prescription by saying I was about 1.5stone heavier than I was then when I needed to send photos I just made my scales say more to match the weight I submitted. Not exactly a difficult lie but it worked and I’ve had 2pens of mounjaro 2.5 and I’m now 8.5stone. I feel great, the size I want to be and no side effects so yes I feel smug that my lie worked and I lost the weight easy.
well my friend who has been trying to lose weight too but not via jabs is furious saying I should be ashamed of myself.
surely it doesn’t effect anyone else? I paid full price so can’t be blamed for stealing from the nhs

It goes to show just how many women see weight loss as a competition. It’s not about health for them, they don’t give a shit about the fact obesity kills, it’s the number one cause of cancer, before we look at all the other issues, heart attack stroke, diabetes etc. for them it’s about fuck you and your size ten jeans

No is still isn’t good. It is the lessor of two evils we cannot and should not see long term
medication as a good thing

and here the OP wasn’t and never was obese was she? So actually in a balancing of risk the risks of taking it versus not are not small. She was never risking death and I don’t think she was remotely risking very ill

and no mixing words the double negative didn’t help but there is no long term medication it should be seen as good at taking

Don’t talk rubbish it isn’t the number one cause at all

you are now mixing your words.

it is (after smoking) the number 2 preventable cause of cancer

and again that is obesity something the OP wasn’t. Because if she was she wouldn’t have needed to lie

no long term medication is good for you

A truly stupid remark.

Well we need to agree to disagree as I think it is utterly fabulous life saving medications exist that we can stay on long term to keep as alive long term and not become incapacitated or die from our health conditin. And I’m very thankful to the medical and scientific community for creating them, be it asthma, blood pressure, or obesity.

you think it’s bad, and that’s fine. I don’t. I think it’s utterly fabulous.

This is a ridiculous take. Some conditions are incurable and life limiting. Taking medication to manage symptoms and extend life/improve quality of life is an unequivocal good.

Insulin as a long term medication isn’t good?

Please don’t take a position in the medical profession.

Fuckin ell these people walk among us, even explaining that taking insulin a MEDICATION eg, for life, is not only a good thing it's the only thing that would keep someone alive still doesn't compute, christ.

So many life long meds, from thyroid to high blood pressure to insulin to immunosuppressants to asthma medication to obesity, through to treat mental health disorders. And someone thinks it’s not good.

anyone who has a life long condition, should be able to take life saving meds, and live a optimal life as long as possible.

being against medical advancements and medication is mind boggling to me, and now I question I actually interacted with someone who beleives that and really hope they don’t have loved ones, children, who may need medication and they don’t wish them to take it,

why use ADHD meds? They are not natural or authentic?

For gods sake please stop putting a spin on what I have said

having medication that allows us to manage illness is great and one can only hope that it continues to do so but medication comes with risks and those risks have to be weighed up.

for a lot of conditions the taking of medicine and the risk that goes with it far outweighs the negatives of course it does but we cannot and shouldn’t ignore what comes with taking long term medications and be aware of the risks

in the case of WLI where the risks from obesity are such to your health that it is more than the risks attached to taking it it makes sense to do so

however there are some for whom it is a vanity thing and are we honestly saying it is the best choice then.

any medical decision should be an honest and informed one as to the risks on both sides - to take a view that mediation is without risk is dangerous

stop putting a slant on my words.

You literally wrote “no long term medication is good for you” 🙄

Insulin has negative health effects if taken long term, especially if taken for type 2 diabetes. These include significant weight gain, Hypoglycaemia leading to cognitive issues and increased risk of cardiovascular issues. Patients can also develop swollen areas at injections sites over time, and these can impair insulin absorption. In type 2 diabetes long term insulin can cause high blood pressure, hardening of the arteries and chronic fluid retention contributing to heart failure.

Other diabetes drugs such as Metformin and Gliclazide can cause kidney problems when taken long term.

Many meds for heart problems have adverse side effects. Warfarin, for example, taken for Atrial Fibrillation, can cause severe thinning of the skin, and can react with many other medications, including some antibiotics. It can also cause life threatening haemorrhage.

Many long term medications are prescribed with the same provisos as WLI’s - the benefits outweigh the risks, but the risks are still there nevertheless.

I think the point here is that many meds taken long term have adverse effects - some potentially very serious. But like WLI’s for many the benefits outweigh the risks.

My DH was told that eventually he would likely have to take insulin for his type 2 diabetes, but that it would only be as a last resort because taken long term it can have life threatening results. For those for whom alternative diabetic meds aren’t effective there is no choice, but that doesn’t mean it’s without significant risk.

Just as with the provisos for WLI’s, the benefits of some long term drugs outweigh the risks for some. Long term drugs for rheumatoid arthritis can have severe and unpleasant effects - Methotrexate causes nausea and stomach issues, Leflunamide does the same and can cause hair loss in stronger doses. Both drugs have an effect on the liver and kidneys. Even common anti inflammatory drugs can have serious effects when taken long term - they can cause internal bleeding and liver damage.

@DotAndCarryOne2 yeah, my mother had to take insulin eventually as she couldn't get her blood sugar under control, the greater risk is the blood sugar out of control, not the insulin ie the drug 🙄.

And without insulin Type 1s are dead. That’s it.

No one spun it, you literally wrote no long term med was good. Many are. Because the alternate is life limitation or death, being good is different to having no risk; they have different meanings in the English language.

i suspect your real issue is the vanity one, women becoming slim, even if they started obese, that it’s a negative feeling deep down about that. And it relates to your own situation, be you fat and can’t access them, or struggling to maintain a healthy weight and resent someone taking what you perceive as the easy route.

Why the eye roll ? That’s exactly what I said. Of course the failure to get blood sugar under control is the greater risk, but insulin is not without significant risk when taken long term. Type 1 diabetics have little choice, but in type 2 diabetes it’s prescribed as a last resort because long term it can cause severe and persistent hypoglycaemia, weight gain, and if not properly managed, cardiovascular problems and raised risk of certain cancers. Like any other drug taken long term, there are risks but for many people the benefits outweigh the risks.

And again I wouldn’t disagree - that’s not what I’m saying.

That poster was correct. No long term meds are good - any doctor will tell you that. Pretty much everything comes with risk. But the point is that for many people their conditions are life threatening or so serious that the benefits of those drugs far outweigh the risks involved.

Of course it ‘computes’. No-one is advocating diabetics stop taking insulin. All that’s being said here is that long term medication comes with risk of certain- some are riskier than others, but for many people the benefits of taking those drugs outweigh the risks. That doesn’t mean the risk isn’t there.

I am starting to wonder if this is a reading or word comprehension issue.

there is a big difference between good and risk, no one is saying it’s risk free, but not being risk free does not mean it’s not good. The two are not completely intertwined.

no doctor will say it’s not good, not one. They spend their days prescribing, and often life time medication, as they feel this is good for the patient. Best for them. This doesn’t mean they think it is risk free. Simply the risk is very minor in comparison to the risks of not being treated, and the medication will allow the patient to life a much longer and fuller life. Any complications and the mediation would be stopped.

people keep saying it’s not good as there are tiny risks. This is a false statement. Because it fails to take into account the reason the person is being medicated and the risks that carries,

so for obesity the risks are huge, it is the biggest killer in society, the number one cause of cancer. With so many other life limiting or ending consequences. Heart attack, stroke, diabetes, fatty liver etc,

not one person has died or been disabled on these drugs, and they think it is now over 50 million globally and over two decades in various formats, and that’s before we take into account the 15 years of trials of glp’s before the first came to market. The minor amount of deaths have been due to either incorrect usage, ie taking a huge amount at once, or taking fakes. Correctly used, no one has died, and the number is tiny, it’s about 200. Other issues are not yet proven to be directly correlated to the drug, and are likely to be due to weight loss or gain, not one person has went blind due to the drugs alone. Not one person has got thyroid cancer.

conversely the drugs are now proven to help with a number of other issues, curing cardo vascular disease is a prime example. It is also now going through trials for fatty liver and kidney disease as real life usage shows it is curing that. It is also reducing the instances of cancer. And going through trials in reducing dementia, again due to real life results.

they have also found it is anti ageing, from real life data, as we go through life we get ill, and as much as we recover, our cells always carry a marker of that, in the form of inflammation, and this accumulates over time, preventing cells fully regenerating, the drugs reduce inflammation and as such our cells regenerate, thus slowing, stopping and in some people, reversing ageing. So it is now being tested due to what’s been seen over the last two decades in real life.

that’s the reason it is not just gp;s prescribing. They are not just very safe drugs, we have now moved into the world of preventative medicine.

Have you ever taken paracetamol @DotAndCarryOne2?

Worst Side Effects of Paracetamol (Short List)

1. Severe liver damage (most dangerous; can cause liver failure and death in overdose)
2. Severe allergic reaction (swelling, breathing difficulty, anaphylaxis)
3. Serious skin reactions (Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, skin blistering/peeling)
4. Kidney damage (with long-term high use)
5. Low blood pressure (rare, mostly with IV use)

⚠️ The biggest risk is liver failure from overdose or mixing with alcohol.

Not sure what point you think you're making.

Paracetamol isn't usually a long term medication.

Regardless, you've listed here the side effects of paracetamol, a medication - which is what @DotAndCarryOne2 was saying. Medications have risks.