Lied to get a jab now friend is angry

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I don’t understand why my friend is annoyed at me as it doesn’t effect anyone else.. part of me thinks it’s jealousy but she’s not speaking to me because I told her how I managed to lose 1.5stone.
backstory- I lied to get an online prescription by saying I was about 1.5stone heavier than I was then when I needed to send photos I just made my scales say more to match the weight I submitted. Not exactly a difficult lie but it worked and I’ve had 2pens of mounjaro 2.5 and I’m now 8.5stone. I feel great, the size I want to be and no side effects so yes I feel smug that my lie worked and I lost the weight easy.
well my friend who has been trying to lose weight too but not via jabs is furious saying I should be ashamed of myself.
surely it doesn’t effect anyone else? I paid full price so can’t be blamed for stealing from the nhs

Carefully used under clinical supervision it can improve chronic kidney damage. It can also cause kidney damage by causing dehydration due to vomiting and diarrhoea. So yes and be very careful if that's why you are taking it.

It's all about risk and reward, if your weight is putting your health at risk it's definitely worth the risks, if your weight is not that bad but you would just like to lose a few pounds the risk may not be worth it. The jury is still out on how big the risks are but I guess the data is coming in fast now.

And of course they have said you put the weight back on much faster when you stop taking it so you have to control your eating (by will power again) or you may have to keep taking it forever with unknown consequences of long term use.

Oh and the one person who I know who it hasn't worked for, (sil) who I mentioned earlier, basically ate the same shit diet as previously, (crap upfs and massive amounts of alcohol), but because she added collagen, and electrolytes 😂 thought the mj would melt it off her, edit... it didn't.

Absolutely correct. Clearly explained and all true.

Have you stopped now you're at weight? TBF to your friend the restrictions are there for a reason and long term use isn't advisible. She may be jealous, she's probably just annoyed with you for taking the risk. One of my friends has started (who is at the weight where she can get it properly but not on the nhs) and I still think it's risky.

I wonder does it still have these benefits for someone who has a BMI of 28? So, well into the overweight category but not obese. Other posters were saying that the risk of dangerous side effects increases if you are a lower weight, or at least there is less of a balance of benefit.

Do you feel this way about all prescription meds?

I think so as it’s a long term treatment and they are slowly approving it for these issues, as stand alone, not weight loss. No idea but it does appear long term use increases these benefits, and of course long term use is generally at a healthy bmi.

If it's an old fashioned scale (not digital) you can turn the dial before you get on to add however many pounds you want :)

You do realise that health is about a lot more than weight? That eating fruits, vegetables, legumes, wholegrains and so on has been shown to reduce dementia, heart disease, improve cardiovascular health and hence reduce vascular dementia in particular, etc etc etc, and greatly reduce all cancers.

Enjoy your shit diet.

Did I hit a nerve, appears I did, my diet is perfectly healthy, my response was clearly in response to your comment on what the drugs do, being angry as you got called out doesn’t help your credibility.

If your diet is perfectly healthy, why did you mock the notion of eating beans - the cornerstone of the diets of all the world's most longlived peoples?

My comment on what adverse effects the drugs can have - some serious and lifethreatening, and others profoundly lifechanging - was in regard to the flippancy displayed by women who lie to get them when they only have a few pounds or a stone to lose, like the OP. There is a reason that, worldwide, these drugs are only prescribed to people with an already serious condition, that comes with very serious health effects if left unmanaged, like diabetes, or those of a particular level of overweight or obesity.

This. My DH is on Mounjaro for glucose regulation - type 2 diabetes - and was told that if he can lose a couple of stones he has a chance of putting it into remission. Rather than completely suppressing his appetite, the Mounjaro has changed his eating habits and helped him to make much healthier choices as far as his diet is concerned. He’s learned to listen to his body when it’s telling him he’s full, rather than clearing his plate from habit, and this has led naturally to reduced portion sizes of foods more conducive to weight loss. The benefits are two fold. The weight is coming off steadily and his blood glucose is within normal range for the first time in ages. But it still requires self discipline - it’s certainly not a case of giving yourself a jab once a week, and bingo, you don’t want to eat.

gosh is it a reading comprehension issue. Please go back and read my post rhen yours. Or ask someone in your household to help you,

For someone who has posted a plethora of incorrect "facts" on this thread, you certainly do project.

I didn’t post anything inaccurate. Honestly get over It.

Don’t worry about your friend, worry about yourself - these jabs aren’t licences for people of average bmi and we don’t know what the long term side effects might be for them. There might be none, they might be serious. The prescription guidelines exist for a reason. The benefit is bigger than the risk if you’re obese. If you’re not, so far we can’t say it is.

In what way doesn’t it make sense ? It’s fact. Eli Lilley manufacture both drugs in the States. Mounjaro was FDA approved specifically for use in the treatment of type 2 diabetes in 2022. Zepbound, which essentially uses the same active ingredient - Tirzepatide - was approved in 2023 specifically for weight management.

The difference is partly to do with health insurance coverage. If Mounjaro was to be prescribed for weight loss, health insurance providers likely wouldn’t cover the cost because it’s being used ‘off label’ and not for the purpose for which it was approved - the treatment of type 2 diabetes. And vice versa.

The pricing of the two drugs are very similar but Zepbound offers better and more accessible savings via weight management programs - mainstream insurance providers like Medicare and Medicaid can potentially halve the costs for their patients. Mounjaro savings are geared more towards those with commercial insurance provided privately via employers etc.

Another factor affecting price is that Zepbound can be obtained in self administered vials which are cheaper than the auto injector pens for use with Mounjaro. So it basically all comes down to which drug has FDA approval for which use.

Most people on WLI have incredibly healthy diets compared to their pre WLI lifestyle. The injections don’t make fat melt away but reduce hunger. So people more easily reduce food intake and because they are highly motivated, not least because they have spent a shed load of money and see it as a last desperate resort, naturally choose very healthy food. Most follow the food regime you have described as this is the regime that maximises weight loss and mitigates against some of the minor side effects which some suffer like constipation, hair thinning etc. so we follow high protein, high fibre, low fat regimes but reduce sweets and alcohol generally to control calorie intake. WLI have also been known to change food tastes for the better with some people noting that they no longer like or want alcohol.
You do sound a bit angry for no reason with references to enjoying a “shit diet”

I was just responding with my view. Presume that’s ok?!

Ditto 😘

Why do people beat about the bush ?
The root of OP’s friend’s anger is jealousy .
The root of many posters’ anger is pure jealousy .
Too many haters out there feeling personally aggrieved because someone chose to take WLI .
These drugs are here to stay so the haters better get used to the fact that their once fat friend/ relative /coworker/ enemy may lose lots of weight
Btw- I am not on WLI , i am just bemused by some of the negative posts in this thread

YANBU I think your friend is jealous of your achievement, and resentfully thinks you 'cheated' by using the injections. It's sad but there is a stigma around taking them. Women can be our own worst enemies. Ignore her and don't bother contacting her, let her contact you if she wants.

Because they want you to put it all back on, that suits their agenda. How dare you have long term success and learn to eat healthier whilst having food noises turned down or off.

As you say, do they say this about WW, SW, Jane plan or any of the other “diets” out there?

Maybe some people will revert to poor choices, but a hell of a lot won’t.

Some spiteful people want to think and see you fail!

theyre surely doing more than just switching off hunger though, they seem to speed up the weight loss process too?

Everyone I know on them has dropped weight incredibly quickly. When I’ve lost weight on diet and exercise (and I mean I’ve been through diets where I have eaten absolutely next to nothing, pure protein, etc), it is a much, much slower process.

Not too my knowledge are they speeding ip
weight loss, which is why people are saying you have work to do as well. Ie adopting a healthy diet.

You clearly are dieting incorrectly, next to no calories isn’t going to speed up weight loss, nor pure protein!

A calorie deficit with a balanced healthy diet is what’s needed.