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To emigrate knowing it will devastate my mum?

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tangotingo · 13/02/2026 16:19

I’m breaking my heart over this as I know deep down I want to go but it will break my mum’s heart.

Been with my partner 4 years, we are engaged to be married next year. I’m pregnant with our first baby. I’m British, partner is from Eastern Europe and his family have settled all over the place (he has relatives in Canada, his home country, Germany and Scandinavia).

His younger sister lives in Germany and has lived there a few years now. She has a partner. They are settled in a lovely small town there which is very safe. They only work hospitality jobs there but have a lower cost of living - they live off one partner’s wage and save the rest. They are considering moving to Hamburg for more job opportunities. They are at a very similar age and life stage to us and are also expecting their first baby. There is a particular industry in Hamburg which is very big and similar to what my partner does for work in the UK, don’t want to go into more detail as it’s quite niche but we’ve seen that one particular large firm encourages foreigners to apply if they have a relevant skillset. I would struggle a bit more as my skills are administrative/customer service so I’d likely end up being a stay-at-home parent whilst learning German. My job in the UK is only a call centre role so it’s not like I’d be giving up a career, so I’m willing to do it so long as we can afford to live. Partner’s sister is confident you can live on one wage over there, and also says she knows a firm that is easy to get into without speaking German as she has helped friends from her own country get in there, so she says she could help us get in their initially if we wanted whilst we’re settling.

I feel, probably quite selfishly, that there is nothing for me in the UK. My parents had me in their 40s, I’m in my 20s now and they are in their 60s. They are full-time carers to my autistic brother who is 25 and they refuse to take any steps to prepare him for the fact that they won’t always be around. He is verbal but doesn’t work, he doesn’t even have a mobile phone as he refuses one and they just accept it. My dad is a hoarder and I hate visiting their home as it stresses me out. I have half-siblings on my dad’s who are 20 years older than me and don’t care about me despite my efforts to have a relationship (I’ve attempted to meet them on their birthdays etc to not even receive a text on mine).

I have dealt with so much anxiety over the years about how care for my parents and brother is likely to all fall on to me in the future as my parents age (my half siblings have no interest). I live an hour drive away as when I met my partner I moved to a different city to be with him. We can’t move to my parent’s city as my partner’s industry doesn’t exist there. I feel absolutely stifled by thoughts of the future. Due to my parents age and being carers they won’t be able to offer me any practical support with my baby. Since I moved an hour away 3 years they’ve visited me less than a handful of times.

Due to large age gaps with my siblings and the fact that my partner has no family in the UK, my child will have no cousins to grow up with except for kids my partner’s sister will have in Germany. I recently have been crying my eyes out as I’ve realised nobody in my family deserves to be godparents to my child, nobody gives a shit enough. We’ve already decided godparents will be partners sister and her partner.

Me and my partner are so lonely and desperate to be around people in a similar life stage. He was quite depressed his last birthday as it fell during a heatwave and he wanted to have a BBQ and realised there was just nobody to really invite so we didn’t bother. It’s getting to him now we’re having a child I think.

Our part of the UK is incredibly rough and our car was stolen a few months ago. I hate the UK rainy grey weather and get seasonal depression, I know Germany is hardly a hot country but the UK is particularly bad due to being an island and we’ve enjoyed many lovely summer BBQs and outdoor parties when visiting Germany previously. I’ve always said no to my partner when he’s suggested moving as I feel bad leaving my parents, but since becoming pregnant I’ve started to want to prioritise baby more and I feel they will be better off if we go to Germany. I only really want 1 child but feel pressure to have 2 if we stay in the UK as I feel the child will be lonely, but it’s different if they will have cousins which they will have in Germany. My, my partner, my partner’s sister and her partner will all be able to support each other.

We have the money to emigrate and get settled - £25,000 in savings. This was originally meant to be a house deposit in the UK but every time we’ve found a home we’ve had to pull out due to the house having major damp issues. Every house in our budget is awful and requires major renovation works. We’ve essentially given up.

I have decided I want to go, I know it won’t be easy to find a rental and jobs etc but I want to at least start the process even if it takes a couple of years. Due to my partner’s EU citizenship I can tag along with him to get residency. I think it’s best for me, my partner and the baby. But I know it will break my mums heart. Can anyone give any insight please? Just to add as well they won’t be able to visit me at all as they are poor, and my dad and brother refuse to travel and mum refuses to leave them.

Mum was worried when I first starting dating someone from another country and said from day 1 “please don’t emigrate.”

Am I a selfish cow?

OP posts:
goingtotown · 13/02/2026 21:05

Do you both speak German?

TheeNotoriousPIG · 13/02/2026 21:08

You are not being selfish.

You have a life, and your own family, and as you only get one shot on this earth, do you really want to be the OAP sat at home thinking, "I really wish that I'd done that when I had the chance!"? It's not selfish to not want to have to take over the care of a vulnerable relative, or to want your parents to make plans for when they can't do it anymore. Please don't buckle under family pressure. I know full well that it's hard, but it's your life, not theirs.

If you don't go to Germany, you'll always regret it. If you do, and find that you don't like it, you might choose to move somewhere else. It's your life. Make the most of it, and be happy!

CatchTheWind1920 · 13/02/2026 21:09

PrenzPrince · 13/02/2026 17:30

That first paragraph is amongst the most naïve I've read on Mumsnet.

Funny that, I was just thinking the exact same thing about the last paragraph of the quoted op's post.

Op, despite what your sister-in-law says, you still need to speak German in Germany. If it does work out and you get this English speaking job, what will you do if you are let go? Or if you don't like it? You cant just walk into another job. Then what if you split from your partner with a baby? You need to really think about it. It's not so simple to just "put on your big girl boots". You won't be allowed to leave the country without his permission and if you are unskilled with no German skills then you are leaving yourself in a very vulnerable position (I'm a Brit married to a German living in Germany...and I really think you are being very naive in many of your replies...so really think it through)

tangotingo · 13/02/2026 21:11

CatchTheWind1920 · 13/02/2026 21:09

Funny that, I was just thinking the exact same thing about the last paragraph of the quoted op's post.

Op, despite what your sister-in-law says, you still need to speak German in Germany. If it does work out and you get this English speaking job, what will you do if you are let go? Or if you don't like it? You cant just walk into another job. Then what if you split from your partner with a baby? You need to really think about it. It's not so simple to just "put on your big girl boots". You won't be allowed to leave the country without his permission and if you are unskilled with no German skills then you are leaving yourself in a very vulnerable position (I'm a Brit married to a German living in Germany...and I really think you are being very naive in many of your replies...so really think it through)

I never said I want an English speaking job, that would be bloody cheeky of me. We intend to learn to a basic conversational level before even going and are prepared for this to take years. I’ve been clear about this.

There are basic jobs such as cleaning, warehouse, stacking shelves in a supermarket that could be manageable with very basic German. My partner’s sister and her partner did this at first, and did absolutely fine. I would meanwhile improve in the language naturally through living their and though continued effort to advance in the language.

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Headphonesandlollipops · 13/02/2026 21:11

Agree to definitely give it a go but also have a Plan B if the relationship breaks down.

I'd say to have money in YOUR name only which can fund flights, 4 months living costs in the UK, have copies of your documents stored somewhere safe (electronic copies too).

Try to build up some allies who are just "yours" and nothing to do with your partner....people who can be work references etc.

Don't overspend or overcommit or have too much "stuff", live frugally and save lots.

Following on from the "teaching english" comment maybe you could teach English online?

If you could build up fully remote work and eventually become European, that would build a lot of options for you in the future.

I'm genuinely excited for you :-).

Unfortunately, with your parents and brother I do agree you should detach with compassion.

Its a common issue with some vulnerable people where they have a completely unrealistic idea of their mental capacity, but also refuse to engage with agencies or any external support.

If they're over the age of consent there's nothing you can do.

They claim they're independent or "family/friends/community" will step in.

I expect they won't get your brother gradually used to external carers or make any realistic plans as they're too arrogant/stubborn/insist on seeing themselves as a "normal and functional family" (even though they're not).

You will be expected to be available to "help" and submit to their needs but also have no authority or opinion on how things are done.

Its very sad but you have to privately grieve the relationship, move on yourself, and leave them to the consequences of their choices.

GreenPaperCut · 13/02/2026 21:12

100% move

aLittleWhiteHorse · 13/02/2026 21:14

As a mum myself, I would not want to hold my children back. My DD moved abroad for university and I have missed her so much, but her job is to live the best life she can. There are lots of cheap flights when we want to visit.

It sounds as if moving away would force a healthy mental break for you and your parents - they will be forced to focus on how to manage your brother without you.

Do what suits you. Go for a couple of years and come back if you do not like it. Enjoy the adventure.

Bufftailed · 13/02/2026 21:16

Go for it. Germany is really not that far for visits if they were wanted. You deserve happiness

CommonlyKnownAs · 13/02/2026 21:16

I would definitely start learning German now. You're liable to have much less headspace once you have the baby!

tangotingo · 13/02/2026 21:18

CatchTheWind1920 · 13/02/2026 21:09

Funny that, I was just thinking the exact same thing about the last paragraph of the quoted op's post.

Op, despite what your sister-in-law says, you still need to speak German in Germany. If it does work out and you get this English speaking job, what will you do if you are let go? Or if you don't like it? You cant just walk into another job. Then what if you split from your partner with a baby? You need to really think about it. It's not so simple to just "put on your big girl boots". You won't be allowed to leave the country without his permission and if you are unskilled with no German skills then you are leaving yourself in a very vulnerable position (I'm a Brit married to a German living in Germany...and I really think you are being very naive in many of your replies...so really think it through)

Germany welcomes many immigrants per year, as I’m sure you know. A lot of these will be from countries much worse off than the UK.

Do you think they all come in speaking advanced German?

OP posts:
LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 13/02/2026 21:19

Holidayshopping · 13/02/2026 16:27

I can see why you don’t want to be carers to your parents and brother but it feels like you are pinning a lot of your future plans onto this great life in Hamburg based on the opinion of someone that doesn’t actually live there?

You say that you are sad because you have nobody to invite to your BBQs, do you not have friends? How will this be different in Hamburg, or do you plan to do absolutely everything with your partner’s sister when you all move there together!?

Nailed it. I can't blame you for feeling a bit blue about your life @tangotingo and many people do at some point in their life, and it does sound a bit like your parents are disengaged from you, and you could well be the carer for your brother when your parents die. But it does feel like you are pinning all your future happiness on moving to Germany, and will be relying heavily on your partner's sister and her husband and their DC ... for everything really. Lots of your future plans seem to revolve around them.

I do wonder if you are going for the right reasons. It feels like you're going in the hope it will be this wonderful uptopian existense that will be waaaaaay better than the UK. You're also going to be disappointed if you think Germany's weather will be any better than the UK. Were you not living here last year? We had 7 months of constant sun! From February to September.

Do move abroad if you wish, but I'm not sure you're going for the right reasons. Also, you have no transferable skills and can't even speak German, so I'm not sure how your life is going to go there. I feel you may be quite isolated, and feel even more lonely than you do now.

TheGander · 13/02/2026 21:22

Re your brother, social workers will have to be involved when your parents aren’t up to looking after him, they can’t force you to take him in, and in the long run he might actually do better when he is in sheltered accommodation with professional help. Yes it isn’t nice to contemplate but it can also be the bridge to a better life for him.

CandidRobin · 13/02/2026 21:23

You can do what you want. You already know your Mum will be upset and you won't see her much. The thing I'd be considering and researching is moving abroad with someone I'd only been in a relationship with for 4 years, wasn't married to and had a child with. I would be checking out the implications of my child and their father having EU citizenship when I didn't. Maybe you have already done this and it won't be an issue if you separate.

tangotingo · 13/02/2026 21:23

My partner moved to the UK with no English and worked in a factory for a few years before learning the language and getting a good job. It’s really a part of the process for a lot of people who emigrate. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to move counties because they got an all-expenses paid transfer with their company. Some people just go and slog it out for a bit, and end up building a life.

So long as we can afford rent and other living costs for ourselves and our child, we will be okay. If we couldn’t do that we wouldn’t go. We would not go until we knew we could support ourselves. We have plenty of reason to believe we will be fine, based on the experiences of people my partner knows.

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Maerchentante · 13/02/2026 21:24

Hamburg can be horrendously expensive and there is also a kind of housing crisis as affordable properties are in equally low supply as they are in the UK. Same goes for other big cities in Germany. Some parts of Hamburg can also be quite rough.
But cost of living is cheaper - I now pay 110€/month for heating and electricity which is less than half of what I paid in the UK for a slightly smaller flat. I also found food to be a lot cheaper.

You should definitely learn German before you move over, even if it is just to cover basics. Most Germans speak English but to varying degrees. Also make sure you know the rules about settling in Germany, if your partner is an EU citizen he has the right to free movement, but if you don't have an EU passport things could be more difficult.

I would think you are not selfish at all, you are setting boundaries.

MrsBeltane · 13/02/2026 21:24

I'm the parent who's child is planning on emigrating. I was 40 when I had my only child. The thought of them moving is breaking my heart but I know it's their decision. They're going much further away than Germany.
I will support them with the move and I will be happy for them. It's their turn to build to build their new life. If it's the right choice for you and your family, do it!

sonjadog · 13/02/2026 21:24

You can learn German as an adult. It will time take and effort but it isn't as unachievable as some posters seem to think it is. It's just a language.

Maybe it is because I come from a country where being multilingual is the norm, but what is the big deal about learning another language? I have learnt a couple to a good level of fluency as an adult. It is hours put in, making an effort, trying to use it when possible, being proactive. It isn't a big mystery.

HK04 · 13/02/2026 21:25

OP rightly or wrongly your whole post reads like a why I’m right…

You’ll go if that’s what you decide to do, but respectfully no one can take away or reason away the impact on your Mum. There will be a cost and personally, my own view (again rightly or wrongly) is least we can do is look after those who looked after us.

Others will say your happiness be all and end all… will make you feel less guilty but if you do go, spare a thought for your old Mum, aging, missing you, missing out on the wee one and having to worry about your Dad and brother.

No one’s fault but regular visits and still being there could be win win.

Nevermind31 · 13/02/2026 21:25

I’m sure you have researched all this already, but if not, please be aware:

  • Hamburg is not cheap
  • renting in Germany requires you to buy your own kitchen, and sometimes your own floors too - put money aside for that
  • unlike UK, Germany will not provide translators, or information booklets (about health etc) in different languages
  • you will need to organise your own midwife
  • it is extremely difficult to get a nursery space
  • you will need health insurance
RobinHood19 · 13/02/2026 21:26

Hi OP, I thought I’d jump in and tell a little bit about my experience - please note it is not meant as discouragement in any way, in your situation I would feel exactly the same.

I moved to Germany a few years back, similar city to Hamburg (which I absolutely love!!!), with a well-paid internship and no partner or kids at that point. Through my line of work and social connections, I ended up being part of a pretty wide group of international young families, so I feel like my observations might end up applying to you and your potential move too.

Germany has a great quality of life, and at the same time is an incredibly challenging place to settle in (culturally and socially), despite what we all felt and said - just like your sister-in-law - that there is so much potential to thrive there.

The winters are depressing. I’ve lived through many British winters and summers, after being raised in a sunny country, and thought I was prepared. I was not. It is colder (fine, like you said) but also much darker. In winter, the “daylight” hours are 8:30am-3pm. And there is not much light. In Hamburg, you are not looking at snowy winters. You are looking at nonstop rain and drizzle, windy rain due to it being on the water, and very high humidity. It is also an industrial city and the skyline reflects the pollution. I love Hamburg in good weather, but during the wet, dark months, it is not picturesque at all. When the temps go below 0º, German cities also turn into big black ice festivals, free-broken-bones for everyone.

Health insurance is compulsory. And expensive if you do not have an employer. As a freelancer or job-seeker, I was quoted 500€ a month several years ago, and that was without dependants. I quickly applied for a further study programme so I could half the rate as an EU student. Some poorer migrants choose to ignore this requirement - not recommended, especially with a child.

Childcare is cheap, or free depending on the state. There are also incredibly long and stressful waiting lists and processes if you live in a big city.

People can be very cold, and racist. Some of the kindest people I’ve met were Germans, but there is also a very strong cultural boundary that says “you are not one of us, and we will remind you of it every change we get”. The subliminal messaging is there. People do treat you differently after figuring out you’re not German, and that happens quickly after they hear you speak. Your child will be the child of foreigners - considered German, but their parents won’t always be 100% included in the lovely child-focused communities which I understand you would love to be a part of. It will be tough to achieve integration.

I spoke no German when I arrived, but I already had 5 other languages at native or fluent level, so was confident in my ability to learn a new one. It took almost 2 years for me to pass my B2 exam (granted covid happened in between), and another one until I felt comfortable holding longer conversations in German with my peers. The lack of German was pointed out regularly - in shops, government offices, neighbours…

It sounds like your partner is Polish or Romanian perhaps… I also have an Eastern European family background and know the importance of family ties and how strongly they feel about being with “their own”. While this is a lovely concept and opportunity to raise your child around, I strongly encourage you to aim at developing your own life, friendships and connections outside of the blood relatives. Once children are involved, the in-laws can become overbearing or overwhelming in a cultural context where you might be expected to join or accept their practices by default. Again, this can happen to any person in any country! I’m sure you are already aware of certain cultural practices but with both you and your partner being in a third foreign country, alone, I fear his circle of relatives and acquaintances of the same origin, could end up being what is expected of you to join and make a priority too.

To summarise the whole thing, research and make plans to integrate in Germany. If/when you move, take all the help you can get from his sister, etc, but start building your own support system that is based off the local culture, language, and people. There are many immigrants in Germany, connect with them and foster that sense of belonging. It is very important to your future child or children. To feel like their parents are at home wherever they live, be it Liverpool or Hamburg… Integration is key.

I have many friends in Germany who came with their partners, without a job or with small children and planned to learn German while being a SAHM and having relatives nearby. Honestly, not one of them has actually learnt German or integrated herself in the community. The husbands work mostly in English or their native languages, and they find it hard to even join a playgroup because they can’t share much with the other mums. They do have those relatives or friends around, but their world has become very small.

Integration is key. Realistic research about it is also key. Not what your partner’s sister says, but actually what happens on the ground. Few people survive on one salary, few people have more than a couple of weeks of sunny BBQs a year in Germany. Plan for integration, and you will be building a solid foundation for your family to feel at home and settle somewhere you can be happy.

MountainThew · 13/02/2026 21:28

I'm not saying don't do it, but i would absolutely crunch the numbers several times, going through everything with a fine tooth comb. Childcare might be cheaper but what about everything else? Hard figures, not second hand experience or vague "it'll be fine". Our relatives in Germany seem to find UK clothes much cheaper than their, I'm sure there are other differences.

There was a really upsetting but long running thread here a while ago. The poster moved her family to NZ for better quality of life and to be closer to her husband's family. Basically the family that she found perfectly nice in several weekly doses turned out to be not so nice, her husband started drinking heavier and heavier, in part influenced by said family, and I think had an affair. OP hated living in NZ, which she had loved when holidaying there, and desperately wanted to return to the UK and her parents but he wouldn't let her take the kids, so she was stuck for their whole childhoods in a country she hated surrounded by his people who hated her.

Anyway. I know that isn't your exact situation, but people are just advising caution because situations like that do happen. I think it's 1/3 - 1/2 of marriages end in divorce, maybe? No one in their right mind stands at the alter thinking it'll end in divorce, but it often does.

How long have you and your partner been together?

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 13/02/2026 21:31

sonjadog · 13/02/2026 21:24

You can learn German as an adult. It will time take and effort but it isn't as unachievable as some posters seem to think it is. It's just a language.

Maybe it is because I come from a country where being multilingual is the norm, but what is the big deal about learning another language? I have learnt a couple to a good level of fluency as an adult. It is hours put in, making an effort, trying to use it when possible, being proactive. It isn't a big mystery.

Most people are telling the OP to learn German. What are you on about?

PinkLegoBalloon · 13/02/2026 21:31

OP I say go for it!

I learnt a few languages in my younger years and found German the easiest to grasp, it has a lot of similarities to our language.

Personally I don't see you having much to lose giving it a try.

People saying what if you split up, so what if you do?! You would manage and I imagine would still feel no pull to move back to England anyway!

People saying try another area of the UK clearly haven't read your posts fully. 🙄

I would absolutely move!

KellsBells7 · 13/02/2026 21:33

PinkLegoBalloon · 13/02/2026 21:31

OP I say go for it!

I learnt a few languages in my younger years and found German the easiest to grasp, it has a lot of similarities to our language.

Personally I don't see you having much to lose giving it a try.

People saying what if you split up, so what if you do?! You would manage and I imagine would still feel no pull to move back to England anyway!

People saying try another area of the UK clearly haven't read your posts fully. 🙄

I would absolutely move!

The OP may not have the right to remain there if they separate.

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