To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

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I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

The supposition that all trans persons are mentally unwell is a continuing opinion for many people, no matter what the age. Unfortunately what will happen is nothing because people will be focusing on the fact this individual was trans identifying.

Correct. Disassociation with your healthy body to such a degree is a clear mental health issue. This particular m/h issue almost always has significant co-morbidities with other m/h and conditions like autism etc.

The major problem occurs when, as you say, people focus on the trans identity. As soon as ‘trans’ is mooted as a possibility, mental health professionals jump on that as a ‘diagnosis’ (even though it is a condition) and the other m/h issues get ignored and remain untreated.

These extremely vulnerable children are then frequently given powerful drugs and hormones which alter their brain and body development and as we can see often exacerbates issues.

We know how much normal teenage hormones affect kids - imagine giving them wrong sex hormones and cancer drugs.

Canada are so far down the rabbit hole on this. I think it would be informative to look at the profiles if children committing this disproportionately high number of murders and assess if there are any common themes.

Well there are two separate issues here that people are absolutely right to call out.

1. The increasingly obvious overlap between having mental health issues and assuming trans identities and concern that this individual was not receiving the psychological support he needed.

2. The misreporting of this male as female and what that means for standards of journalism, accurate information and data collection and just basic respect for reality.

The whole thing is a horrendous mess. We're not going to get anywhere if we can't talk about it.

Still focusing on the trans aspect here pet, and not on the victims.

What do you class as anti-trans hate because all I see is women stating facts and figures which prove that gender identity ideology is a dangerous death cult that harms everyone who is drawn into it and destroys lives whilst removing womens rights

By a man.

If your truly concerned about the mental health of teenagers who claim a trans identity perhaps you could stop affirming them, stop lieing to them by telling them that they can change sex, that they pass and that we want them dead.

Nobody wants them dead or harmed. We want them to get proper mental health treatment that isn't the direct equivalent of agreeing with an anorexic person that they're fat and giving them a diet and exercise plan (this is what affirmation therapy is). We want them to have a chance to live a happy healthy life that doesn't involve mutilating surgeries and body's destroyed by cross sex hormones and puberty blockers which prevents their brains from maturing into an adult brain and wrecks their fertility and bone health (to name but a few consequences of taking pbs).
You call this hate we call it safeguarding and treating mentally ill teens appropriately so they can grow up into healthy adults.

Like I said it's easier to find some humanity there. There are awful subreddits for sure but other than things like pregnancy/birth whatever on here that I have no interest in there is no escaping the shit posting here. The chat boards are full of it. I can browse reddit and find lots of interesting things to read without ever having to read mums defending the starvation of babies or reading 'at least they know what a woman is' peppered into completely irrelevant topics. If you choose to read trans subreddits good for you, I've no interest and that's the great thing about reddit I can avoid them completely here you can be reading a thread about anything and someone will try and shoehorn it into the conversation.

Who is defending starving babies?!

And the erosion of womanhood is something many of us take very seriously and want to keep talking about. Sorry not sorry we refused to be gaslighted by misogynists. Being on MN is not a requirement if you don’t like.

Sorry, but for all MN's faults (and knowing women don't have cocks is not one of them), I am absolutely splitting my sides at the idea that chuffing Reddit is a calmer, more humane, kinder and morally superior place. Reddit!

I'm going to die laughing at that one!

The trans subreddits are unhinged, but a drop in the ocean of Reddit’s awfulness. But you go on believing MN is worse.

Me too. Funniest thing I’ve read all week.

Exactly.

IKR!
Do you think these people are offended because it’s women coming together to talk about issues? Some people really rage because we don’t stick to talk about sleep deprivation and knitting.

It is tragic for everyone that this very unwell young man did not get the appropriate care and mental health support he needed.

Yes, there's definitely the sense that women gathering and saying things they don't like need correcting and chaperoning. But of course there's also the idea that non compliant women are guilty of a terrible moral failing. Some... person, just yesterday, was telling us that things being said on a thread about the shooting were "equally reprehensible" as actually carrying out the shooting. Let that sink in, as the kids say.

Fucking Reddit is our moral tutor now! I know not all subreddits are deranged but that's the place that has organised real life harassment campaigns against people for stuff like blogging about being overweight. Like, turn up in real life to intimidate them, flood their socials with abuse, contact their employers with rubbish, that kind of thing, and that's even aside from the overtly violent ones.

And it's a better place, more human! God in heaven...

This

Someone who wishes to complain about people's discussion points and shame them by judging the discussion as 'anti-trans' while ignoring people from Canada who do want to discuss aspects of the issues that that poster doesn't want to.

I know...right?

Totally agree. THATS how offended they are, we are worse than violent men

I do not believe that men can become women. I believe that is a biological fact.

I do not believe in letting men who say they are women access to women's spaces. I believe that this safeguards women and girls.

These views are certainly anti trans but I am interested to know if you they they are "extremist".

If they are, what makes them so and can you give an example of an anti trans view that is not extremist?

Or, is it that every woman who does not believe that a man can become a woman will always have the tag "extremist" attached.

Mass shootings committed by males need to be clearly named as mass shootings committed by males. That's about all there is to say about it.

But your statements are not 'anti-trans', partly because they do not 'exclude' female people with transgender identities. You are excluding all male people regardless of any identity that they have. That is following strong safeguarding principles where no sub groups of the sex being excluded should be allowed.

These are not extreme and should never have been controversial.

They also don't deny any rights to trans identified men. They can still have spaces and services, they just need to be ones for male people or both sexes. In other words, exactly the same rights as everyone else.

Yep

The judgement today was a clear statement about safeguarding needing to be clear and to exclude male people from female single sex provision.

But I guess some people would consider the judge today ‘anti-trans’.

It’s so refreshing when people acknowledge women’s rights.