To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

[Blu3Shoes]

I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

The thing is, as was pointed out on other threads, that threads about tragedies aren’t just about saying how tragic they are. Obviously that’s true but they tend to focus on how the tragedy occurred/what can be done to prevent similar. So any thread which doesn’t mention the background and previous life of the perpetrator is IMO ignoring the elephant in the room.

If the shooter HAD actually been a woman, the TRAs would have been all over it using it to push their agenda, ignoring the victims.

So no. I think we will discuss the violent males in our spaces thank you.

Its common behaviour when a tragic event occurs that people talk about issues linked to the event, rather than confining themselves to expressions of sympathy and sorrow for the victims, surely?
The death of Charlie kirk prompted much debate about freedom of speech and gun laws. The killing of American citizens by ICE has prompted much talk about immigration and Trump. We have discussed male patterns of sexual abuse of women and children following the Epstein files and the conviction of the most recent male pedophile nursery worker. Members of the trans community are focusing on their fear this will make their lives harder, and expressing positivity because Canadian news outlets have not 'misgendered' the killer.
Whether you consider such tangential conversation disgusting, disrespectful and weaponising victims for your cause, or a necessary conversation in order that we might seek to prevent further harms will depend entirely on your own politics and values.

Seriously- you’re pushing this agenda still over the victims. Boys were killed too!!!!

The supposition that all trans persons are mentally unwell is a continuing opinion for many people, no matter what the age. Unfortunately what will happen is nothing because people will be focusing on the fact this individual was trans identifying. It will never be known as to the actual reason(s) they committed such a horrendous act, but what's more distressing is the fact a teenager without enough mental wellness checks by adults in their environment could have possibly prevented this tragedy with the loss of so many lives.

The UK recorded only 499 homicides ending the year in September 2025, 45 were done by juveniles under the age of 18. Canada had 72 juveniles commit homicides, out of 788 in 2024. Mental health checks for young people are needed to avoid this type of tragedy. It's also never helpful for ANYONE to use associate people who are different than society's standards, should be labeled with some mental imbalance. Without some drastic changes for more mental health wellness for ALL young people, this will just increase. There will always be people who thrive on hating on others and never take accountability for their actions, as you can never fix ugly on the inside.

This is a general point about women’s spaces, privacy, dignity and safety. I don’t even know if this young man used women’s spaces. But your ideology maintains that he should be able to, no?

I don't think most people on here are 'extremists' or 'anti-trans activists'. Most of us are just regular mums who don't want our daughters to have to share loos and changing spaces with blokes.

People are annoyed about the reporting of that crime because some outlets were suggesting the murderer was female. This is not a woman's crime. The murderer was not female.

Of course we are concerned about the victims. Too many women and children die due to male violence. Including here.

This isn’t about toilets and boys were killed too.

What is the relevance? Yes, 4 boys were killed, his own stepbrother for one. Along with his mother, a female teacher and 4 girls.

People who shoot their mothers, step brothers and school children are mentally unwell, yes.

Pretending this was a teenage girl, when it was a boy, is a lie.

The overlap between the mental health status and 'trans' what ever that is needs to be discussed, yes.

Why people are trying to pretend that the 'trans' whatever that is effect needs hushing up is mind-blowing.

Many many teens are mentally ill:- straight, gay, ND, those with SEN…. the faux concern re trans teens really doesn’t cut it.

It’s not about caring about MH provision but persecuting the trans community.

You don’t really have any arguments OP do you? Just “don’t talk about this, I don’t want to hear it”.

As pp said pretending this is a teenage girl and not a boy is a lie. It’s not helpful to either wider society or these kids themselves. We will not stop talking about it, hope that’s crystal clear.

@Blu3Shoes people are being “vocal” about the inaccurate description NOT that he was trans. The police have a duty to all citizens to give an accurate description.
Inadequate complex MH provision and the gun access has also been highlighted as areas that need addressing.

Only in the heads of misogynists is it “hateful” to state that men can’t be women.

But no OP I won’t pretend for anybody that a girl committed mass murder. It was a boy. The pretending bit clearly did no good for him anyway.

Your OP is just another way of saying “Women - STFU and #BeKind”. We don’t tolerate that crap around here mate, you’re on a forum with outspoken and intelligent women. Cry harder.

The radicalisation aspect also needs to be looked at. People don’t seem to have any problem doing that when it’s “incel” culture or far right radicalisation.

So, when someone says that trans people are more likely to suffer with their MH, to feel suicidal, and wants society to see this as a problem it must solve by providing physical medical interventions and changing sex based provisions, your response would be "Oh no, many teens suffer with their mental health. No need for any specific actions here...."?

Why do you correct posters talking about the victims being “women and children” by pointing out that boys were killed too? Boys are children.

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda

common decency means the victims is all anybody should be thinking about not glee that it’s a great opportunity to push extremist ideology.

That's another irony meter exploded and it's only 8am. I need to start buying them in bulk.

Totally agree. There are zero morals in allowing this stuff. The blatant discrimination (not just relating to trsnsgeneder but sexism and racism is rife too) throughout this site is rife but there is no attempt to stop it. Goady posts make money. I honestly don't know how social media owners and moderators sleep. As a platform, it is perpetuating fear and division that in turn impacts on mental health and a broken society. But, you know, as long as they make a bit of cash, that's ok apparently.

Are those figures correct?

Canada two thirds the population of the UK but with half again as many murders?

Excuse me?

We've spent a decade warning people that affirmation and no exploration of mental health issues behind 'trans' whatever that is, is destroying people.

The difference with the 'trans community' as you call it, is exactly what you are doing here which is seperating them out and refusing to let anyone talk about it.

Medical professionals who do not affirm in Canada are finished, hounded, harassed and either have to move away or face years of abuse and thats just from their own professional organisations. Let alone the activists and their threats.

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I just looked up intentional homicide rates. UK is 1 per 100,000 people, Canada is 2. So Canada has twice the UK's rate.