To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

[Blu3Shoes]

I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

This is not about persecuting this is about making sure everyone knows this is not a crime committed by a woman. Not. Our. Crime.

I would guess that the proximity to the US means there are more guns in circulation than the UK, but it’s my speculation.

If a bear, affected by an illness exacerbated by eating drugs, had killed ten people in a small Canadian town, talking about the bear and what had happened to it would not be showing disrespect to the victims. If there had been an increase in this sort of bear attack in North America over the last decade, talking about that would be reasonable.

If the media started describing the dangerous animal as a moose, complaining about that would also be reasonable.

Something very dangerous has been happening. Denying that will not make it go away.

And it wouldn't be anti-bear, though it might be (justifiably) bear-phobic.

Yes they are

What are you banging on about?

Are we supposed to ignore the fact that trans identifying males are hugely over represented as school shooters? Who does that serve?

Don't disregard hunting culture with regard to availability of guns.

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That is very different from the image of itself that Canada projected until recently.

I have to say it does tickle me that, although a huge gender critical anti-misogynist movement started on MN about 12 years ago, people STILL come on whining about “TERFs” and “Stop being hateful-uh” thinking they will be the ones to silence us.
Obviously thinks that MN is full of middle class dummies who only talk about baking and school shoes
Unfortunately for you OP, this forum has intelligent women concerned for women’s rights and we aren’t prepared to pretend that the Emporer is wearing no clothes. You don’t scare us by accusing us of being meanies. We are smarter than you are and know more of this subject. So no we won’t STFU. We will continue to talk until the cancer that is gender ideology, that is demonstrably SO harmful, is stamped out of normality.

Ah yes of course.

Yes, boys were killed, by a fellow male so mentally unstable he thought he was a female, and it would be recorded as a female crime.

That should make any reasonable person furious yet here you are using it as an opportunity to bore on about alleged trans hate. Im embarassed for you.

And on X the only posts about this sad event are from trans supporters telling the trans community to stay safe. I can't find one of them that even mentions the shooting victims. So there you go.

This absolute tragedy, the deaths of young children and a teen having a huge MH issue is obviously going to be discussed on here.

The teen boy who killed the school kids as well as their mother and step-sibling was also a victim in this. Instead of receiving help with their mental illness, they were bought a dress and allowed to believe they were a girl.

That’s not anti-trans. That’s being sympathetic to a kid in crisis and the catastrophe it led to.

Turn your attention towards the media outlets prioritising a lie that suits the murderer over the victims, and a justice system that does the same, and we won't have to mention it.

If it's not important enough for us to talk about, it's also not important enough to uphold a lie about. I know you lot like to claim it's only important insofar as it suits you but that's just as bullshit as this guy's identity. After all, you're only starting this thread because you're pissed off about it; this isn't a thread about the victims.

Unfortunately for you OP, this forum has intelligent women concerned for women’s rights and we aren’t prepared to pretend that the Emporer is wearing no clothes. You don’t scare us by accusing us of being meanies. We are smarter than you are and know more of this subject. So no we won’t STFU. We will continue to talk until the cancer that is gender ideology, that is demonstrably SO harmful, is stamped out of normality
😂😂 😂😂😂

When anything awful and unbelievable happens, two common responses are to want to know that it will never happen to them/their child and to try to understand why or how it might have been prevented. Both responses are somewhat linked.

So for anyone trying to understand, the trans identity will be very much part of the picture of under supported mental ill health. The conclusions people draw from that will differ.
What counts as good mental health support? Is it gently exploring the young person's experience and worldview or is it affirmation of their worldview?

In addition, seeing a boy called a female when linked to crime is very concerning. Will this be noted down in official records as a woman's crime? Surely to try to understand how and why these horrific crimes are perpetrated we need honest data and factual discussion.

What’s funny?

You have been unlucky in your X searching, as a forum it is clear-eyed about genderism. Try Dr P for a start.

https://x.com/Psychgirl211

Bluesky is different

@DeanElderberry I wouldn't go near Bluesky but thanks for the heads up.

All the sympathy to the victims in the world isn’t going to address the issues that led to this young man killing children.

Believe me, the regular posters on this have HUGE sympathy for the victims but standing around wringing your hands is not going to prevent these extremely troubled young men doing it again. And again.

If you are calling us extremists for calling for truth in news reporting, crime recording and to address the insidious gender ideology that has caused many to lose contact with reality then sadly, you are part of the problem.

very wise, wrt Bluesky. When there was Musk-panic a few years back I joined it, signed in, and reeled back from all the sexualised anime style images, some in posts, some beside the user names, the likes of which I'd never seen on X.

So that was my hour there.

You really are putting some utterly unjustified motivations on people posting about this issue.

How do you define ‘glee’? I think it is utterly offensive that you accuse people playing about the direct root cause of these deaths as displaying ‘glee’.

While having ENORMOUS and equal sympathy for the murders of the boys, I need to plying out that Eresh makes a very valid point.

The law and widespread policies in Canada allow the boy who committed these murders to use female only spaces. His female victims may have had to change in front of him but use the toilet in earshot of him. That is significant and state sponsored abuse of girls.

I agree that it's become quite unpleasant on mumsnet in general. A particular low point for me was last year when people were rushing to point out that the mum of a starving child in a war zone was 'well fed' and that she was probably just gobbling up all of the food instead of feeding her child. There is a lot of anger here, maybe that's just a reflection of the UK in general at the moment, and it comes out in really unpleasant, hateful ways.

I prefer reddit these days, it's easier to find some humanity on there.

What like on r/transguns? If you think Reddit is twee crafting subreddits and the like you have zero idea of the unhinged, censorious, misogynistic cesspit it is.

Either counteract the argument with your view, tell them what you think or ignore it. Or you could start a thread that defends the perpetrator, But this MN allowing these discussions like they should be banned is advocating censorship. I don’t get how people think you should shut others up. I for one would rather know what’s someone is thinking.