Trans- gender dysphoria- mental illness?

[TheBlueKoala]

There are so many young people suffering with MH problems. They are trying to find an identity and nowadays when gender is à la carte it seems epidemic.

Looking at the small percentage of transgender people and high prolific crimes something does tell me that there seems to be a correlation between transgender and mental illness. Which makes me believe that it's really a question of gender dysphoria as in identity dysphoria in general. Ofcourse there are exceptions but I think these recent cases should be taken into consideration. What are we doing to our children telling them that they can choose gender as in a restaurant menu? I think it's harmful and noone below 18 should be allowed to change whatsoever- they can call themselves human- as we all are.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/11/canada-school-shooting-tumbler-ridge-british-columbia/

https://abcnews.com/US/teen-sentenced-life-prison-2019-school-shooting/story?id=71949051

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/as-officials-searched-for-charlie-kirks-shooter-suspect-confessed-to-his-partner-prosecutor-says

https://derechadiario.com.ar/us/argentina/transsexual-schizophrenic-far-left-murderer-young-swedish-woman-after-attempting-to-rape-girl

People simply cannot pin their hopes on all of society affirming they are something they are not. That is never going to work out in the long run.

Can You define what a “transgender person” is?

The OP linked trans to mental illness to school shootings, so my response was to give the stats of how represented trans people are in shootings.

You do realise that people such as domestic abusers and alcoholics have highly qualified professions?

Having a professional job means nothing.

Also, what do you mean about changing rooms? Are your acquaintances using the facilities for their sex? Because if they are not then they are violating boundaries.

A peeping Tom may not be “embarassing” his victim (because she doesn’t know) but he sure as hell is violating a boundary.

In the nicest possible way, please do try to think logically before you post meaningless anecdotes about the two people you happen to know.

I don’t believe in any trans identity to be honest- I think it’s the wrong solution for the wrong problem.

I think this person’s gender identity is irrelevant to what they have done- not a cause, just a symptom of the disturbed messy world inside their head.

If I were trying to identify potential school shooters then I’d add it to the list of warning signs. I don’t think it’s a key contributing factor.

The thing is, we can't base legislation on the behaviour of 'nice people we know'. We need to base legislation on data on risk and safeguarding.

Thanks for the clarification. We need to do the research I guess. Except that that is being stifled and/or simply not funded.

I agree that “trans” is often a manifestation of other problems. Which is kind of useful in a way.

The fact you would add “trans” to the list of warning signs is telling.

IDGAF
I care about the vulnerable kids that are fed a lie and face a life of mutilation and suicide ideation.

I care about the kids that didn't go home to their families because another kid fucked up on cross sex hormones decided to take them out because his parents indulged him.
Am I right in thinking he killed them too?

Agreed. You cannot expect people to lie to make you feel better and it’s dangerous to think they will. We should live in an honest society. That’s why I’ll never vote for a politician like Ed Davey. If he’s prepared to lie about something as significant as someone’s gender what else is he prepared to turn a blind eye to?

This is the issue! This! The likes of Ed Balls on breakfast TV being shocked that we don’t all want to share spaces with ‘transwomen’ that we don’t know smacks of the middle class champagne socialism bubble he lives in. Like they cannot think that some people might just dress as a women to be a predator, because sexual predators aren’t something they need to think of in their cosy middle class lives.

But what is the actual difference between what you refer to as a true transwoman and all the others? They are all men who want to be women.

There's also a strong correlation with neurodivergence, particularly among teens - who later often regret transitioning. When JK Rowling pointed this out in a perfectly eloquent essay, she became a pariah. My (nd) teenage niece is heading this way (experimenting with trans/ non binary when she's actually most likely gay). Her friendship group consists of one non binary individual, and one girl who identifies as a boy.

Exactly. These people are never going to have to deal with the consequences of women not being able to have single sex spaces.

They should realise their privilege here and take a back seat.

You mean there have always been people who believed they were or should have been the opposite sex, due to some cultural or subconscious personal symbolism or metaphor they associate with that sex.

It's very much the same as there have always been people who believe they can sense the dead or communicate with gods.

In some societies these beliefs are seen to be "real" and form part of the culture. In others they are seen as delusions or myths.

Transgenderism is no different, it's just our modern way of framing a very old thought pattern.

In reality, all three common beliefs are natural consequences of the way humans impose our own connections and meanings onto our environment.

This. It’s not going to happen and they need to be made aware of that. It’s not “kind” to pretend everyone sees them as what they are not.

Trans identifying males are more dangerous than any other male as they're 5 times more likely to be a sex offender than men who identifies as a man (see handy graph below which should MOJ and ONS stats) also the number of trans mass killers should be looked at as a per capita number rather than a direct number as trans identifying people make up a tiny %of the population, when you look at the figures at a per capita level trans identifying mass killers are higher than any other group (sorry dont have a graph for those figures yet)

There are recognised links between autism, transgender identity, eating disorders and body dysmorphia.

I can not work out how the general public has been made to accept that they are responsible for being therapeutic resources for a group of people who demand or request that their subjective reality is treated as the universal material reality. I would never have believed so many people have acted as if this an acceptable expectation.

It also claims that non binary is not a trans identity 🙄 and has to go all the way back to 1982 to get 4 women 3 of which are trans identifying and ignores things like the trans identifying male who killed the 2 lesbians and their son because the TIM was banned from a lesbian event.
If anything that article shows how they will keep trying to manipulate figures to hide quite how dangerous they are, its the same with suicide stats. As polly carmichel (then head of the Tavistock clinic) stated under oath trans identifying people are no more likely to kill themselves than any other MH patient, a fact that was born out by professor Applebys report into trans suicide. The often quoted 41% figure comes from a self selecting question of 27 people 13 of whom said yes to the question "have you ever thought about suicide". Its a loaded question and far to small a sample to give even an indication of anything yet you'll see that 41% suicide figure repeated everywhere. Its all about the narrative of trans vulnerability rather than an honest discussion about the risks posed by this group

Yes transvestites have been around forever. I remember as a kid a man down the street wearing lippy and dresses and of coruse we all thought it was weird but left him to it as he wasn't hurting anyone. They didn't demand we call them she then, they didn't demand we enabled their delusions.

It's all changed now because of the activism surrounding men identifying as women and women have been pushed too far.

No because it doesn't help and I'd never be involved in affirming anyone's delusions.
33% of trans identifying children are autistic vs 4% of the general population 25% are in care vs less than 2% of the general population then theres the CSA and gay/lesbian stats which show that they are massively overrepresented as well.
Also its a well known tactic of emotionally abusive people to claim that they will kill themselves if you dont do what they want and should never be pandered to.
Please stop spreading the myth of trans suicide as its a harmful lie

This what gets to me too.

It's abusive.

Do what I say and affirm me or I'll kill myself.

On the relationship board this behaviour is recognised for what it is. When it comes to trans identification we're apparently bigots for pointing it out.

The coercive aspect of the situation is so often completely dismissed isn't it?

There really is some very concerning elements to all this. After 6 years or so, I still cannot get my head around the willingness for some people to unthinkingly support allowing someone else's constructed reality in this way.

Thats from a very flawed study and has been repeatedly disproved. Cross sex hormones dont change a male brain into a female brain and it doesn't change a female brain into a male brain.
The thing most people forget is that it wasn't until men started claiming that they are women and deserve all of our rights and that they are the only people who deserve rights that women started to fight back.
Men can never be any type of women they are men

Following on from Hoardasaurass's post.

The study you mention did not allow for same sex attracted in results. And the 'cluster' of those people were still well within the male range. They were not in the female range.

Did you ever look at the study yourself? Or was it just mentioned in your course?

If the term 'mental illness' doesn't work, what is the term that will describe a situation where someone needs to believe in a subjective reality based on their philosophical belief that is not reflective of material reality? And then expects others to act as if that subjective reality is material reality too?