Trans- gender dysphoria- mental illness?

[TheBlueKoala]

There are so many young people suffering with MH problems. They are trying to find an identity and nowadays when gender is à la carte it seems epidemic.

Looking at the small percentage of transgender people and high prolific crimes something does tell me that there seems to be a correlation between transgender and mental illness. Which makes me believe that it's really a question of gender dysphoria as in identity dysphoria in general. Ofcourse there are exceptions but I think these recent cases should be taken into consideration. What are we doing to our children telling them that they can choose gender as in a restaurant menu? I think it's harmful and noone below 18 should be allowed to change whatsoever- they can call themselves human- as we all are.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/11/canada-school-shooting-tumbler-ridge-british-columbia/

https://abcnews.com/US/teen-sentenced-life-prison-2019-school-shooting/story?id=71949051

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/as-officials-searched-for-charlie-kirks-shooter-suspect-confessed-to-his-partner-prosecutor-says

https://derechadiario.com.ar/us/argentina/transsexual-schizophrenic-far-left-murderer-young-swedish-woman-after-attempting-to-rape-girl

I think you don’t understand that “affirmation” doesn’t help. It’s part of the problem.

There's also documented links to autistic people being trans too. Autistic people are several times more likely to report gender variation than non autistic people.

I think a lot of the problems for transgender people are the kind of attitudes shown on Mumsnet on a regular basis. Parents are meant to be absolutely fine and accepting if their child is gay as that's just how they are. But if a child comes out as transgender then its the result of incorrect parenting by trendy liberals who have encouraged this by their lax attitudes and all it needs is a good talking to to show the child the error of their ways. I can tell you that many parents of transgender children are not trendy liberals and are absolutely traumatised by the news that their child is transgender and have tried all the rational arguments as to the disadvantages of being transgender. Young people are not infrequently disowned by their families and end up in dreadful situations.

There is a demonising of transgender people. I know two transgender people - both are in prestigious and highly qualified professions - and their families stood by them. They are not out embarrassing people in changing rooms and, frankly, in terms of gender you wouldn't give either a second glance. They pass absolutely below the radar in terms of gender. Both transitioned quite young and have never wavered. They have good lives, good careers, partners and friends. They are not misunderstood loners with a gun obsession but are possibly one of the people stopping you bleeding out in Emergency. I agree completely that this a serious issue and not something to be lightly taken on. I don't think for a moment that somebody should, on the spur of the moment, declare that they are transgender and immediately embark on irreversible treatment and certainly very young children should not be making life-changing and irreversible decisions.

For the members of the TERF Island Council, OP eluded to a situation that so many posters will refuse to admit to, is that they had a significant impact on the situation where she states, "What are we doing to our children telling them that they can choose gender as in a restaurant menu?" As noted by The British Association of Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons is that when you look at the increase in plastic surgeries (not gender reassignment) in 2024, shows males accounting for 1,799 procedures in theatre, and females accounting for 27.462 procedures. Botox/filler injections (nonsurgical), males were 616 and 9,191. Again, this is only an audit from Plastic Surgeons, which do not account for physicians who also perform these procedures but DO NOT belong to this association.

So when you wan to talk about "telling them that they can choose gender as in a restaurant menu," then look at who is setting the example. Children see that females are making up 94% in theatre and also 94% in nonsurgical procedures from this 2024 audit. So when you keep using these label of "mental health" required of people who are unsure of their gender, why aren't adult females spending an estimated £3.2 billion just in 2024. So where else are children learning that they can be someone completely different in their looks, to feel better about themselves, but the family home by their mothers. Blame everyone but yourselves, since no one is willing to take accountability for being so insecure in their appearance they have to seek out surgery to feel better. Of course this will never happen, because the trolls will continue to make up every excuse to post vitriol on others instead of looking in the mirror at themselves when they're putting on a wig, makeup, shapeware - anything to hide the ugliness inside.

This particular nightly foray into misogyny has jumped the shark.

Imagine not understanding the basis of female people’s source of insecurity based on appearance …awkward…

I just scroll by him. He has zero of value to add.

Yeah tell us you’re a guy without us having to look at your user name….

Some MRA logic there.

I only bothered to read it because of your comment Helle

Exactly. At one point there were 8 in my (not particularly large) orbit. All with other factors (bullied, neurodivergent, same sex attracted). It’s a contagion that entangles the most vulnerable.

It has to be a mental illness. Sex is a verifiable fact. An immutable biological reality. Anyone believing they can opt out of that fact or that reality doesn’t apply to them is suffering from a delusion and is unwell.

For the fetishits, (ha, typo but I’ve left it because it works!) they know they aren’t female but the current trans vogue works in their favour.

In relation to affirmation reducing suicidal ideation and in turn shootings, I don’t think it does. Isn’t yesterday’s shooting a case in point? I can’t imagine Canada’s system did much but affirm him.

At best, affirmation kicks the can down the road and creates temporary better feelings. But in my view it then must magnify the bad feelings - either because the realisation that the world actually won’t treat you how you want in every way is a harder one after you’ve been lied to, or worse, because you’ve suffered irreversible harms at the hands of people who were meant to help you.

Sorry about that. 😁

Let’s put it another way. There is a correlation between autism and mental illness. There is a correlation between autism and being trans. There’s a correlation between autism, being trans and feeling unhappy in a world that doesn’t accept you. Who’s to say that being trans is anymore a ‘cause’ of MI than being autistic or having been bullied in school or trauma? Trauma very often leads to gender dysphoria.

I absolutely do think there should be mental health support for young people to help them construct their identity regardless of what sex they are born as. I don't go around thinking about myself as a "woman"- I'm a human being. I think it's a quick fix when you don't know who you are to identify as something clearly identifiable: I'm a man/woman. If it had been common when I was young I would have identified as a man because I loved playing football and dreamt about being a pro player and saw only men as role models on the tv. Luckily sm wasn't a thing so I just had to accept the biological reality of being a woman. I "grew into" being a female later on- motherhood certainly helped😅.
Thank you for your balanced poster @Ghht - I agree with everything you said.

You’re right, no one can quantify that. But putting cross sex hormones into a struggling (possibly) autistic and certainly mentally ill young person is unlikely to have helped their mental stability. Involvement in (some/radical) online trans spaces where the narrative that trans people are under attack and need to fight back is also a factor.

From listening to Dr. Az Hakeem he identifies several different aetiologies that have more recently been lumped together and are now referred to as Trans.

1. Gender dysphoria- people who have an intense feeling of discomfort about the sex-identifying parts of their body. The discomfort is so intense that it can be overwhelming and prevent the person from being able to participate in a normal life. Suggested causes of the discomfort include- sexual trauma and severe internalised homophobia. Essntially people who experience this just simply don't want to be themselves.
2. Cross-Dressing +/- Fetish- people (mainly men) who experienced emotional trauma from a dominant female caregiver. The feeling of anxiety can be releived from living as that female caregiver as a representation of feeling of dominance over them. A fetish is a trauma that has become sexualised, therefore you can have men cross dressing without sexual arousal, and men cross-dressing for the purpose of sexual arousal. AGP is a subset of this group but the arousal comes from them seeing themselves as women, not from the idea of dominating woman. Apparently the feelings start to become noticiable at around 8 and 9 especially if associated with sex.
3. ROGD- the most recent itiration where there is no prior issues with the sex-identifiyning parts of the body but there is a "rapid onset" during puberty. It mainly effects females, and has similarities of trying to control the body to anorexia. This control of the body then spills out socially to control everyone elses view of you.
4. Non-Binary- a fashionable fad repeated every 7 years with a new name- punk, goth, emo etc.

It seems that there is an over-representation of all of the above groups from people on the autistic spectrum and people who experience same sex attraction.

There is a huge link with the group from number 2 with misogyny and the autisic spectrum.

I would also like to add that there has been a lot of debate about "toxic masculinity" over the last 10 years i.e. MeToo etc. It would be understandable that young boys could have internalised that message that masculinity itself toxic. This could result in a huge backlash (Andrew Tate) or prehaps that it is better to not be masculine at all.

Measuring mental illness by how many kids they kill?
Scraping the barrel don't you think?

Transgender people have alwyaws been part of societies from as earlier as 5000-3000BC

There is only 0.5% of the population who are transgender and that is thought to be over estimated in the last census.

The whole thread is scraping the bottom of the barrel as is the attempt of trans activists to seize on a tragedy yesterday to further their cause.

I don't believe that anyone is born in the wrong body. How would that work? Is your gendered soul floating around looking for a body?

I think that for males it's all about the fetish and allowing that fetish to take over their lives. The dysphoria comes from the impossibility of ever actually being a woman. I think they also enjoy the power they've been allowed recently in invading women's spaces. I think for girls it's about not liking female puberty and the changes that come with it.

Obviously the acceptance they get from schools, university, media and family encourages autistic, gay, abused and mentally ill people along this awful path of ruined health and castration. The whole ideology causes so much damage.

"If we wanted to take a preventative approach, we would reduce the factors that make a child feel suicidal. Would you be willing to embrace an affirmative approach to trans children if it reduced suicidality?"

Trying to engineer a situation where the while world affirms is coercive and impossible.

What we have now is trans "allies" including large organisations, media and politicians, pushing a self serving narrative where they affirm trans people, but say that others don't because they are transphobic and hateful. And trans kids are not "safe" around such hate.

Imagine telling vulnerable kids they are widely hated, persecuted and in danger, then wondering why their mental health doesn't improve.

Now that the truth is out, they have dropped the story completely.

One wonders if some posters ever stop to consider that the bile, vitriol , hate speech and lack of understanding that the transgender community face on threads such as this escalate MH difficulties and tragedy.

Ah we’re already at the “look what you made me do”? So far all I’ve seen from the TRAs on this thread is…
-it’s because other people aren’t affirming them this happens
-it’s because they think other people are being mean this happens
-it’s because other people won’t do what they want this happens?

I think there is significant correlation between mental illness and assuming a trans identity, yes.